HONOR

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come to the AVA then, its not AS bad as the MA. it still happens but its happening less lately. we encourage you to join the Allied side. its a ball. try it, You'll like it!!

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Quote from: humble on March 07, 2008, 10:08:58 AM
please bear in mind that we frown on MA tactics such as HO'ing, vulching, tool shedding, cherry picking, alt-monkeys, etc. its a different type of game. a more civilized type of game.

   

Anybody tell JG54 that  Anybody who thinks gameplay in the AvA is better is delusional IMO.


i agree with humble i went to ava the other night  it was lame, same crap as MA watermelon talking, cuz i was in spit, i got vulched... there is no difference, that will be the last time i go to AVA. 

[IrishOne]

i just can't stop staring at Hondo's avatar.  Mezmerizing.................. ......

[dedalos]

hon·or   –noun
1. honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's beliefs and actions: a man of honor. 

There are very few actions in the game that are without honor.  One would be spying.  Killing your enemy by whatever means does not show a lack of honor.  Complaining on 200 or through PM that you were killed is without honor. 

The solutions are simple:

1.  If you don't want to loose because your opponent is in some late war uber ride, take out a late war uber ride.
2.  If you don't want to be picked, take off at a rear base and get some alt.
3.  If you don't want to be horded, work on your SA.

But don't cry about it when you get vulched, picked, horded, hoed or whatever.

About the BnZers:  I read a book by a P51 pilot (can't remember which one now) in which he stated that the first rule for fighter pilots was:  One pass, haul prettythang.  You see, in real life, pilots who got into turn fights tended not to make it back to base.  Not always, but it was a risky proposition.  A turn fight, even if you were the victor, left you low and slow, easy pickings for someone else.  I believe the same is true in AH.
If you want to turn fight, fine, go ahead.  Just don't cry when someone picks you in the MA.  If you want a pure fight go to the DA.

  It is getting there, don't worry.  But then, when the skies are full of P51s and D9s at 20K turning away from each other before visual range to avoid getting into a fight , there will be no one to pick 

What are you guys going to do then?  The graphics suck, so you cant really fly around and just enjoy the view 

[EskimoJoe]

wuts honor

[Bosco123]

I like to give honor to every person that I fight. I try and not to take HO shots, but a lot of times it does not work and I get POed about getting HOed and 200 somthing out of emotion. Most of the time I try to give all of the players honor.
If it turns out to be a decent fight, either I die or he does I will always give them a "GF <S>" or .s name.
It just comes down to how well the guy fights me, HOing is the one thing that I do not like, picking I am ok with because I do it with myself.

[MajIssue]

Honor is as Honor does, to paraphrase Forrest Gump!

I have found that the more I <Salute> after a "good" engagement (win or loose) the more of 'em I get back. It is up to the (or US) "Veterans" to instill this sense of honor to the new guys by example. Some squads (ours the "False Prophets" included)  like the 68th Lightning Lancers, Aces and Eights, AAs, AKs, Rolling Thunder and L.T.A.R just to name  a few, make it a point to acknowledge a good fight on 200 with a <Salute> or a <S>!

I can't count how often some numbers guy on a two week trial has HO'd me... or how many times a high 190D has "Cherry Picked" me... Either way I put half of the blame for getting shot down (if that was the result) on myself for NOT having sufficient SA to avoid the situation.

It still takes two to HO, and for every Cherry picker there is a cherry. It's on me if I get picked, and If I turn nose on nose to some two weeker I expect that I will get HO'd.

I have on occasion gotten caught up in the moment and hastily typed "Nice HO" but always regretted upon reflection for the reasons stated above...

<Salute> to a good fight!

[Guppy35]

I said 'nice pick' to someone last week, because I meant it.  He got me at a tough angle while I was turning with someone else.

He immediately got all defensive about it.  I then explained that i didn't care about the fact that I died, but that it was really  a 'nice pick."

He relaxed after that and understood it was no big deal to me.

[bergy]

I realize that 99.99% of the time it is something I did that got me killed, so getting mad at another player is rare for me. At the same time I give what I get, if my opponent comes head on, I will go head on, and after I die and get a nice little "nice HO" on 200, I chuckle and send a salute. PM's with dirogotory remarks are shared on country and squad channels, then ignored, not even worthy of a salute. The bravery of the internet coward is amazing, if you had these people standing in front of you they would be shaking in there boots and putting brown stripes in there BVD's, let alone talking crap. <SALUTE> to those that realize there is a person on the other end of your internet connection.

[ROX]

It would be nice if there was honor in this game. 

One person said it's because there is no repercussion that twits do it...and get away with it.

Two quick examples....

Sunday, while doing one of our large missions...2 guys (from the same squad) join the mission.  I should have been tipped off as they normally are always rook but....HAVE been knights on a few tours, so benifit of the doubt.  I asked them to coordinate the escorts...and while they did, they took an extrordinarily LONG time to do it, lengthy radio transmissions, etc...and before you know it, it's taking 10 minutes too long to turn to target.  All the while, rook fighters keep showing up...picking off bombers.  Once we are almost to the radar ring of the base we are going to attack...the two dissapear...and we are SWARMED by fighters from high alt.  They were just waiting for us.

They said that they "always switch to the side with the lowest numbers".  (Third biggest lie on the planet).

The next hour they were bishops (lowest numbers).  An hour later they were back rook (highest numbers, with ENY no less).

We DID have a CURE for garbage like that...it used to be a long time before you could switch countries and go back...now, it's like an hour or so...which only encourages slimeballs from switching & spying.

Non-stop Lies & no honor.



Today, I had scored my kills and had landed on the runway, engine off...and that faint half second when you click "end sortie" and it takes...got vulched on the runway by a rook.


It would be nice if there were were honor.  Maybe someone will start a "Aces High Hall of Shame" website with films.  That might help.




ROX

[CAP1]

Since when is the legitimate tactic of BnZ dweebery?  I fly planes that lend themselves quite nicely to that tactic, not all aircraft are meant for turn fighting.  But I do agree with your point that more people need to give a <S> or perhaps just lose gracegully saying nothing rather than come back with some sort of derogitory remark to the pilot who just bested them. 

i think that what he's getting at is that we fly this sim for the fight.......if you're stayn hi and safe, then you're not really fighting.

[Shuffler]

 

They said that they "always switch to the side with the lowest numbers".  (Third biggest lie on the planet).

The next hour they were bishops (lowest numbers).  An hour later they were back rook (highest numbers, with ENY no less).

We DID have a CURE for garbage like that...it used to be a long time before you could switch countries and go back...now, it's like an hour or so...which only encourages slimeballs from switching & spying.

Non-stop Lies & no honor.

ROX

Those two sound like backstabbers.

Our Squad almost always flies low number side. We have found it to be the best way to find fights. The 80th can be trusted to never divulge info across teams. So not all folks who say they fly low numbers are crooked. There will always be folks who do as your saying though.... I mean our prisons are full of that low class type.

On occassion when just our Squad is heading to a "base of no consequence" we announce our intention on 200 to get uppers there and a fight started. But... we never give out any team mission info.

<S>

[Acidreign]

It would be nice if there were were honor.  Maybe someone will start a "Aces High Hall of Shame" website with films.  That might help.




ROX

 The problem is that a lot of shall we say "individuals" in this game, as in all other games would wear this like a badge. Some players in any game out there live to just grief and ruin someone elses gaming experiance just because they can, and to feed some weird beast in their head.

Not sure this would work.

[ink]

The problem is that a lot of shall we say "individuals" in this game, as in all other games would wear this like a badge. Some players in any game out there live to just grief and ruin someone elses gaming experiance just because they can, and to feed some weird beast in their head.

Not sure this would work.

i actually like the idea "WALL OF SHAME" of course till someone catches me HOing   
  i try not to HO but i HO zero every time.

[angelsandair]

that is one thing i wish more players had here
there are some who have it, but very few...
  i dont understand why people complain so much.
for instance
  i was in a spit16(awesome plane) i had alt on a spit 8 i think it was an 8(he was NOT low and slow), i drop down on him and start to turn with him
i dont use my e advantage i turn with him,a few turns hes dead, he types over 200 "did ya have enough alt.." or something like that.
this was a long time player (we where in a squad together so i know hes been around awhile)and i was suprized thats what he said.
 i did not reply back to him, to me he showed no honor,
if i am in a fight and my nme killz me i <S> em, unless he picks me, or vulches me, or i am out numberd,

   i think when someone complains about what another else is flying, that shows no Honor
i have to say this game is great,and i am glad i found it.
  i just wish there was more honor.
so this i say a huge <<S>> to those who show Honor.
all the others will get nothing from me not even a check6.

Well what frustrates me the most is when someone tries to pick me and I end up HOing them. Then they call me out on 200 and complain.
The other thing is when the Bish horde gangs up on 2 planes when there are more than enough for them. There have been times where i had 2 or 3 fighters on me and the Bish horde would be on some helpless little B25 and I got 2 spits on me...


But you make a good point sir <S>

[HighGTrn]

Guys, I know that we all get frustrated but you have to remember that this is an online game.  Expecting someone to live up to your sense of fair play or honorable play is only going to get you frustrated and make the game not fun.  I'm sure we pay our 15 bucks to have fun vs. getting frustrated.  In my opinion, this game has more players with a sense of fair play than any other massively played online game. Once in a while, you will get the true jerks.  I don't think those guys last too long though. Whenever I get piss'd, I try to put this into perspective and then most of the time, I laugh and up again. I'm not perfect and sometimes I'll blast something across 200.  When I do resort to that, I almost 99% of the time regret doing it as soon as I hit the enter key.

Just check the ego at the door (I know its hard sometimes).  Its not something serious like Golf where I would do anything including cheating to win (HA! JK guys).