IL2

[jon]

I just got back from a trip to the Twin Cities.While there the wife and I went to the Mall of America. One of the buisnesses in the mall is a place called ACES. Aces has several flight simulators. Well i'm thinking"cool" something to do during her shopping. I cant remember the price but it was like $25 for a half hour and $45 for an hour. The wife said ok, so i bought an hour of time. Cockpit had real looking  stick, rudder, and peddals.   There were 3 others flying against me. After i was spawned into the air i realized only one opponent was a real person no big deal after shooting down several planes in my F4U1D i took up a zero and to my suprise the flight model was very simular to the Hog. That sucked !!! Even though there was some difference.It was nothing like Aces High. Next i flew a tempast it also flew alot like the hog.
 
  About that time the controller told my opponent he was out of time and had to go (we were all on a common radio with the controller.
  The  controller then asked if i wanted more opponents so i said yes.  When he hit the start screen i realized I was flying IL2. (I own it but have never really flown it)

   Well anyway after flying it I reaized It sucks. The flight models suck. and the view system sucks also. The eye candy was ok but I dought after flying there I will ever give it another try.

[BnZ]

Well, I was a little disapointed with it, agree about the views, although I think IL2:1946 was worth the 20 bucks.

Frankly, the AI in CFSIII was a better "sparring partner of last resort" than the AI in IL2. It did lots of break turns in both the vertical and horizontal upon which to practice deflection shooting, as opposed to the bizarre-but-unhittable rolling dive the AI in IL2 does anytime you get within 400 yards of six o cock. It seems to have no other defensive move. Not to mention the HOs the AI in IL2 does every chance it can, usually with very damaging success, even if it is only armed with .303s.

[Grits]

Everything in IL2 is far superior to AH.

[Krusty]

Is... is that a troll coming from grits?   

[Saxman]

IMO Il-2 only has two things really going for it: It's sure pretty to look at, and I think their damage model is significantly better (IE, wings are not just either there or gone, but you have various degrees in between where damage can affect your flight).

[Krusty]

They go overboard on making things so durable you can unload so much ammo into a wing it'll be more holes than wing, and still fly. You can lose almost an entire stabilizer with little ill effect (vertical or horizontal) but lose part of a wing and you're in a death spiral.

The damage model itself is flaky as hell. The idea behind the damage model, the layers of damage, is a good idea. That I agree about.

[Grits]

Is... is that a troll coming from grits?   

Yes, that was sarcasm. IL2 blows chunks.

[Slash27]

I just got back from a trip to the Twin Cities.While there the wife and I went to the Mall of America. One of the buisnesses in the mall is a place called ACES. Aces has several flight simulators. Well i'm thinking"cool" something to do during her shopping. I cant remember the price but it was like $25 for a half hour and $45 for an hour. The wife said ok, so i bought an hour of time. Cockpit had real looking  stick, rudder, and peddals.   There were 3 others flying against me. After i was spawned into the air i realized only one opponent was a real person no big deal after shooting down several planes in my F4U1D i took up a zero and to my suprise the flight model was very simular to the Hog. That sucked !!! Even though there was some difference.It was nothing like Aces High. Next i flew a tempast it also flew alot like the hog.
 
  About that time the controller told my opponent he was out of time and had to go (we were all on a common radio with the controller.
  The  controller then asked if i wanted more opponents so i said yes.  When he hit the start screen i realized I was flying IL2. (I own it but have never really flown it)

   Well anyway after flying it I reaized It sucks. The flight models suck. and the view system sucks also. The eye candy was ok but I dought after flying there I will ever give it another try.

Ran across something like this many years ago in a mall. I lucked out, they were using Ace High.

[RoGenT]

IL is definetly tough plane - True it only has one real defensive move but if you do it right (as GHI and several others can) it works great and more then once I have been blown out of the sky by those things.

As for shooting IL down in my pony - I noticed wing roots and wing tips seems to be easiest to shoot to bring em down, or at least lower the manverable (so i can't spell  )

[BnZ]

Yes, that was sarcasm. IL2 blows chunks.

Lets all buy a copy anyway, just to make manufacturers think flight sims might be worth fooling with.

Lot of work has obviously gone into the game, I think the problems come from the designers bending over backwards trying to make things "realistic", alot of sim flyers idea of "realistic" apparently being dang near impossible to even fly straight. It is a truism that "simulators are harder to fly than airplanes" anyway, so I don't see the point of adding more difficulty.

[hubsonfire]

I bought a package of Ubi flight games for 20 bucks a while back. I hated them. For the money, I consider a cheap lesson at 5 bucks a pop. The Il2 view system alone was enough to prevent me from ever buying another product.

But, it's more units sold for a number of flight games, so I guess that's a positive.

[Brocster]

I just got back from a trip to the Twin Cities.While there the wife and I went to the Mall of America. One of the buisnesses in the mall is a place called ACES. Aces has several flight simulators. Well i'm thinking"cool" something to do during her shopping. I cant remember the price but it was like $25 for a half hour and $45 for an hour. The wife said ok, so i bought an hour of time. Cockpit had real looking  stick, rudder, and peddals.   There were 3 others flying against me. After i was spawned into the air i realized only one opponent was a real person no big deal after shooting down several planes in my F4U1D i took up a zero and to my suprise the flight model was very simular to the Hog. That sucked !!! Even though there was some difference.It was nothing like Aces High. Next i flew a tempast it also flew alot like the hog.
 
  About that time the controller told my opponent he was out of time and had to go (we were all on a common radio with the controller.
  The  controller then asked if i wanted more opponents so i said yes.  When he hit the start screen i realized I was flying IL2. (I own it but have never really flown it)

   Well anyway after flying it I reaized It sucks. The flight models suck. and the view system sucks also. The eye candy was ok but I dought after flying there I will ever give it another try.

Yeah.... I am from the Twin Cities...A.C.E.S is a joke.  I made the mistake of trying it out a few years ago as well.  Bad sim, bad prices, bad competition.  It is totally made for the person who has never played a flight sim on a computer.  I remember they had me flying F-18's around a carrier, one guy to shoot at who could not fly..

What a waste of money and crap.  Still...they are in business after all these years.

[Denholm]

A game like "IL2" makes one happy for "Real-Life."

[Grits]

The Il2 view system alone was enough to prevent me from ever buying another product.

Yup.

[jon]

IL is definetly tough plane - True it only has one real defensive move but if you do it right (as GHI and several others can) it works great and more then once I have been blown out of the sky by those things.

As for shooting IL down in my pony - I noticed wing roots and wing tips seems to be easiest to shoot to bring em down, or at least lower the manverable (so i can't spell  )

lurk this up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xs8HWN6UyE