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Re: ADHD question.
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2008, 11:56:55 PM »
Here, in Russia...
The funny thing about this thread is that you, being Russian, have better spelling and grammar than most American children age ranged 10-18. Except myself (14), being Alaskan, I'm smart and I have a naturally low, non-squeaky voice  :D

America's youth today is quite miserable  :(
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2008, 12:01:09 AM »
I hate you eskimoe joe!

Not really, but I hate being bumped to the second last page within seconds of making a post. :)


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Re: ADHD question.
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2008, 12:14:30 AM »
WHAT THE boink IS YOUR PROBLEM!!!

guess what buddy, you have no right to talk about my condition like that, hell wouldn't you like to live through my childhood!

hey skuzzy, i dont care if this post gets skuzzinated, but if it does, take this bastage down with me please
who the devil are you?

Oh, lets go back and read the posts, there you are. Never even knew you had a condition til like 30 seconds ago.
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Re: ADHD question.
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2008, 05:33:17 AM »
See Rule #7

I can agree with you only in one case. If the child is absolutly healthy. And really, I think that the belt is the last option, wich is showing your feebleness as a parent. Don't take it personally, but if you can not achieve some targets in parenting without superior power, than looks like that you are making errors.
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Re: ADHD question.
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2008, 05:51:25 AM »
Consequences of ADHD diagnoses that many don't know about:

1. Can't get a pilots license, probably ever.  The 'exception process' is expensive and difficult and requires psychological evaluations and more.
2. May soon be prevented from purchasing any firearms.  New legislation is working its way through the system that classifies ADHD as a psychological disorder of the sort that would place ADHD sufferers next to felons, dishonorably discharged veterans, and so on.
3. Probably can't get a CDL for the same reasons as #1.


Am I right that CDL is Commercial Driver License?

We have the same prohibition system, but for heavier diagnoses. Such as schizophrenia for example. But besides of it, we have a system of region psychoneurological clinics. Where all of the patients should be registrated, even if their visit to the doctor was only once. And if you'll need to get approval medical documents as for me - to renew firearms license, you should go to the region clinic and get an approval there. I had a lot of problems with them, some time ago. I obtained firearms approval, but couldn't get the same for usual driver license for a year. It was because I was registered as a PTSD with potential problems and also having uncured contusions. For them I was like a crime wich is disappearing from the government. With the respective attitude. Sure, I'll never go to them, especially with son.

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Re: ADHD question.
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2008, 06:04:02 AM »
See Rule #7

belt?

You mean beating kids with ADHD with a belt?
« Last Edit: March 18, 2008, 03:33:50 PM by Skuzzy »

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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2008, 09:14:01 AM »
Consequences of ADHD diagnoses that many don't know about:

1. Can't get a pilots license, probably ever.  The 'exception process' is expensive and difficult and requires psychological evaluations and more.
2. May soon be prevented from purchasing any firearms.  New legislation is working its way through the system that classifies ADHD as a psychological disorder of the sort that would place ADHD sufferers next to felons, dishonorably discharged veterans, and so on.
3. Probably can't get a CDL for the same reasons as #1.

There are more, these are just a few I've found recently.

Avoid the diagnosis at any cost, make absolutely CERTAIN (multiple opinions from doctors).   Don't let a lazy guidance counselor ruin your child's life.

Where did you find this info?  I'm not questioning your validity, Chairboy, just wondering who gives out this information, and who is lobbying to categorize sufferers of it in the same class as felons, etc.  This post is in no way a stab at you, Chairboy.  I just HAD to use you quote because of the people who choose to be ignorant and claim it is all BS.

ADD/ADHD is about as much of a psychological disorder as a broken arm is.  In fact, the latest (4th) edition of the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders doesn't even recognize it as a mental illness or disorder, but rather a physical, issue.   

The following are symptoms or signs as stated by the AMA.

Children

    * Failing to pay close attention to details or making careless mistakes when doing schoolwork or other activities
    * Trouble keeping attention focused during play or tasks
    * Appearing not to listen when spoken to
    * Failing to follow instructions or finish tasks
    * Avoiding tasks that require a high amount of mental effort and organization, such as school projects
    * Frequently losing items required to facilitate tasks or activities, such as school supplies
    * Excessive distractibility
    * Forgetfulness
    * Procrastination, inability to begin an activity
    * Difficulties completing household chores

Adults

    * Often making careless mistakes when having to work on uninteresting or difficult projects
    * Often having difficulty keeping attention during work
    * Often having difficulty concentrating on conversations
    * Having trouble finishing projects that have already been started
    * Often having difficulty organizing for the completion of tasks
    * Avoiding or delaying in starting projects that require a lot of thought
    * Often misplacing or having difficulty finding things at home or at work
    * Often distracted by activity or noise
    * Often having problems remembering appointments or obligations

   You may actually know someone like this at work/school/neighborhood.  The "absent-minded professor" that you know. 

Also, medication, used correctly, in conjunction with strict self (and parental) discipline is not always the demon that it is portrayed to be.  It is just another tool in the arsenal.  To call arbitrarily call (all) parents of these children lazy, IS lazy in and of itself.  I beseech those of you who don't know EXACTLY what ADD/ADHD is or the different manifestations of it, to find out what it REALLY is before making judgment.  Without delving deeply into it, I'll refer you to a previous post of mine with regard to a lack of DHA and other vital nutrients in the diets of our children during their developmental years.  As far as the autism, Aspergers, etc. are concerned, maybe it is partially OUR fault since the links between certain types of these diseases and vaccinations/mercury levels are becoming clearer.  You may do the search as I am not inclined to do ALL the work for you.

Yes, it is often misdiagnosed, often over-medicated, and for the majority, mis-understood.  Yes, A LOT of parents ARE lazy, and do not discipline their children enough.  I would wager that half of these "diagnoses" could be "cured" by a (gross) reduction in the sugar consumption of our children.  I firmly endorse sparing the rod spoils the child.  Sometimes a relatively harmless dose of pain can teach volumes more than mere words can convey.  Like "Don't touch the stove, honey.  It's HOT!"  a hundred times over and over sometimes doesn't mean as much as actually touching the stove.  Once that one time slips through, and the child actually manages to touch the stove, the meaning of HOT is clearly and undeniably understood.  The stout belt is certainly under-used in our society but, on the other hand, you cant use it to "Beat some sense" into a child, either.  Use wisdom and judgment when doling out corporal punishment. 

For those of you who think you or your children may have ADD/ADHD, by all means, exercise caution and get second opinions.  But....  Please don't let them suffer from a condition that you off-handedly claim as BS.  It is a crying shame and the truth that most kids (and adults) that honestly DO suffer from ADD/ADHD are usually above average intelligence but are branded as dumb, lazy, etc.   I know that my kids have had (Wechsler) IQ tests and scored an IQ(s) of 137 and 139, but they will forget something as simple as their lunch box on a routine basis.  This exceeds the "average" of 90-109 so I know that they are not "dumb".  In fact, there many members of MENSA that have it.  It would be a crime not to feed the minds of children like this, or help them to cope with it.  There are not many things worse than wasted potential or intellect, because of ignorance of or refusal to admit a problem.  I also was diagnosed with it (10 or so years ago).  It explained A LOT.  I know that I don't  want MY kids to suffer like I did in school.  At least I am better equipped to handle it than my folks were.  Yes, we all take medication for it.  But, I also fortify that with a better diet, and discipline. 

As for me, I have been diagnosed with it, as have my children.  Medication helps, but it IS and SHOULD NOT be the only tool used to combat it.  It takes effort on the parents part, and a measure of self-discipline which can be learned.  Eliminating ambiguity is a huge, but simple example.  Always put your keys/wallet/work papers in the same place, every time, etc.  There are many support groups out there such as CHADD that will help you become more educated and understanding.

So, before anyone dismisses the whole "ADD thing" out-of-hand, please learn more about it.

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Re: ADHD question.
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2008, 10:00:08 AM »
ADD and ADHD are well researched.

If you care to tackle another problem, try ODD, or CD...altogether another realm...
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« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2008, 10:08:22 AM »
Getting a 3rd class medical certificate (the minimum required to become a Private Pilot) is impossible for someone with ADHD without being subjected to an expensive, extensive, and almost unpassable barrage of psychological evaluations.  This is well known, and if you're unfamiliar with this, you may wish to do some googling.  Same w/ CDLs.

The firearm issue is a new development, HR 2640 is the key legislation that includes language that would criminalize gun possession by a number of people including anyone diagnosed w/ ADHD.  http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h2640/show

The facts speak for themselves.  An ADHD diagnosis is a crippling one that can potentially scar someone for life, and a parent that accepts it easily for their child may be doing them a massive disservice.  Scrutiny, second opinions, and a clear understanding of exactly what the consequences are is vital.

Von Messa, if you didn't know the above, then I wish I didn't have to be the bearer of bad news. 
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Re: ADHD question.
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2008, 10:09:40 AM »
oi vonmessa, THANK YOU!!!!!!

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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2008, 11:56:10 AM »
Getting a 3rd class medical certificate (the minimum required to become a Private Pilot) is impossible for someone with ADHD without being subjected to an expensive, extensive, and almost unpassable barrage of psychological evaluations.  This is well known, and if you're unfamiliar with this, you may wish to do some googling.  Same w/ CDLs.

The firearm issue is a new development, HR 2640 is the key legislation that includes language that would criminalize gun possession by a number of people including anyone diagnosed w/ ADHD.  http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h2640/show

The facts speak for themselves.  An ADHD diagnosis is a crippling one that can potentially scar someone for life, and a parent that accepts it easily for their child may be doing them a massive disservice.  Scrutiny, second opinions, and a clear understanding of exactly what the consequences are is vital.

Von Messa, if you didn't know the above, then I wish I didn't have to be the bearer of bad news. 

Again, not being argumentative, but.....

I, in fact, have my CDL and have had it for years.  I haven't driven a truck for at least a year or two, but that doesn't mean the rules haven't changed since.

Being a licensed pilot is not on the top of my list or my kids and to be honest, if I owned a plane, I couldn't fathom what the cost of aviation fuel is compared to gasoline.  (I'm starting to complain about how much it costs to fill to motorcycle these days, LOL)

Lastly, I own firearms, legally and with a permit to carry, so I doubt it can be taken away without cause.  If this directly is affecting the 2nd amendment rights of you or someone you know, by all means, do not stand there and take it.  ADD is NOT (even if it May have been) considered a mental illness.  I have NEVER had to be seen by a mental health provider for it.  In fact, it falls under the neurological category.  The only doctors I (or my kids) have ever needed to see were my Primary Care Physician, and a Neurologist.   It also uses the word "adjudicated" many times meaning that a court of law (Judge), through the advice or deposition of a medical professional, must make this determination.  It does not single out ADD either, so I feel that my 2nd amendment rights are fairly safe.

But, all things considered I can see where some people (read lawmakers and anti-gun critics here) would be disillusioned  or mislead by facts that they are not quite educated on.   

As far as crippling?  I wouldn't go THAT far.  My life is fairly normal.  I take medication once a day, and I learn  to recognize the conditions under which I am easily distracted and try to avoid them.  I find that an office with a door, or a good set of sound isolation headphones work miracles.  In addition, sometimes intentionally creating a "controlled" distraction such as background music or playing a movie while working will mask the "surprise" of normal everyday distractions (traffic, the trash truck, barking dogs in the neighborhood, etc)

Human beings are amazingly adaptable creatures.

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« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2008, 12:29:02 PM »
I take it you didn't review any of the info I suggested.  The house resolution will, if it enters law, potentially make it illegal for you to purchase firearms. 

Saying "I don't think I'll ever want to learn to fly a plane" isn't much of a response to the other stuff.  Is that really your strongest argument?

Finally, for reading comprehension, when I say it's crippling, I don't mean physically, obviously.  I mean it's potentially crippling to what you and your children will be able to do the rest of their lives because of, among other things, the law I mentioned that looks to strip 2nd amendment rights from people w/ ADHD.
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« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2008, 01:30:03 PM »
IMO, we have gotten away from calling someone "mentally retarded" and now come up with new “diseases”  like ADHA, ADD, Autism. It gives the parents some feeling that "inside, little Joey is some kind of genius".  I bet if you look at the explosion of Autism cases you would see that it correlates with the movie Rain Man.
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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2008, 01:44:38 PM »
IMO, we have gotten away from calling someone "mentally retarded" and now come up with new “diseases”  like ADHA, ADD, Autism. It gives the parents some feeling that "inside, little Joey is some kind of genius".  I bet if you look at the explosion of Autism cases you would see that it correlates with the movie Rain Man.
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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2008, 03:09:31 PM »
I do not have any kids nor plan on it. I am talking about those other ritalin addled screamers that I put up with when I go out. Their parents should beat them with a belt


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