Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish

[crockett]

Uhh actually you are wrong.... again.  Companies and individuals have tried to get refineries built but have always run into insurmountable resistance, both by politicians and locals.  Please, try to have something to say that is at least close to being accurate. There are young and naive people on here that might not realize you are completely uninformed.

Global warming?  Prove it.

Actually no... pretty much every year the govt has asked for new refineries to be built. The problem is the govt doesn't hold their feet under the fire. There hasn't been a new on built in this country since 1976. You can't blame that on public resistance or politicians. The big oil companies are dragging their feet building in this country mainly because it's cheaper for them to build in 3rd world countries and import it.

This is a direct quote from the spokesman from the refineries association explaining their stance on the issue..

"What refining executive in their right fiscal mind would say, gee, we need to add refining capacity right now," said Drevna at the refiners' association.
 
source.. http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/17/news/economy/refineries/index.htm

Big oil is dragging their feet here, yet they build them else where with no issues because they don't have to pay as much for labor or taxes. So in short they are very happy to build in 3rd world countries so save a penny, then charge us even more because they have to import it. It's win win situation for them.

[ZetaNine]

Actually no... pretty much every year the govt has asked for new refineries to be built. The problem is the govt doesn't hold their feet under the fire. There hasn't been a new on built in this country since 1976. You can't blame that on public resistance or politicians. The big oil companies are dragging their feet building in this country mainly because it's cheaper for them to build in 3rd world countries and import it.

This is a direct quote from the spokesman from the refineries association explaining their stance on the issue..

"What refining executive in their right fiscal mind would say, gee, we need to add refining capacity right now," said Drevna at the refiners' association.
 
source.. http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/17/news/economy/refineries/index.htm

Big oil is dragging their feet here, yet they build them else where with no issues because they don't have to pay as much for labor or taxes. So in short they are very happy to build in 3rd world countries so save a penny, then charge us even more because they have to import it. It's win win situation for them.

Big Oil is NOT building because of the freaking tree hugger laws here........save the spotted owl gang.  the hurdles and hoops and penalties have made it no longer practicle to build........same issue with Big Nuke... a very safe, sane, and clean power option taken off the table by libs.

[NUKE]

If it's cheaper for the oil companies to refine and ship from over seas, then what's the problem?

If the government want to build a refinery, what's stopping them?

[crockett]

crok-it.. if we have to buy most of our oil then how is it that we have "more than enough oil"?

how will adding a couple of bucks tax on a gallon of gas help the little guy at the pump?

lazs

lard... there isn't a shortage of oil right now. There is a shortage of refined product which is driving up the prices. If we had more oil pumping in this country it wouldn't change the fact that we don't have enough refineries to meet the current demand.

[crockett]

If it's cheaper for the oil companies to refine and ship from over seas, then what's the problem?

If the government want to build a refinery, what's stopping them?

Did you read?

[crockett]

Big Oil is NOT building because of the freaking tree hugger laws here........save the spotted owl gang.  the hurdles and hoops and penalties have made it no longer practicle to build........same issue with Big Nuke... a very safe, sane, and clean power option taken off the table by libs.

Yes because no Republican has ever stood up to say.. no I don't want a nuclear reactor next to my million dollar house. Some of you right wingers really do fall off the deep end..

[NUKE]

Did you read?

yeah, and you said this:

The big oil companies are dragging their feet building in this country mainly because it's cheaper for them to build in 3rd world countries and import it.

You said it was cheaper for them to build overseas and import it.

[crockett]

yeah, and you said this:

You said it was cheaper for them to build overseas and import it.

"cheaper" for "them" hence part of the reason they have record profits. That "cheapness" isn't carried over to us because they still limit the production to take advantage of the so called free market.

[AKIron]

I should think all those acolytes of the church of Global Warming should be thrilled with higher oil prices. What better way to make people conserve? Sounds like Bush has done more for the church than Al Gore dreamed of doing.

[REP0MAN]

I think crocket might have a good point.

All Bush has to do is make a couple of phone calls, and  he can alter the entire world oil supply/demand and and set the price of oil at whatever he wants.

I wonder if Bush could call in another Katrina and really make it soar! $12 a gallon anyone?

 

[john9001]

today bush gave a speech, he asked for congress to allow more oil drilling in the US, ( anwar, gulf coast, ect ), and to remove some of the restraints on building new refineries.

congress makes the law, the president is only the administrator of said laws.

and crockett is just grinding his axe as he always does.

[SteveBailey]

Actually no... pretty much every year the govt has asked for new refineries to be built. The problem is the govt doesn't hold their feet under the fire. There hasn't been a new on built in this country since 1976. You can't blame that on public resistance or politicians.

WRONG.  do you have any facts or do you just drink the koolaid?

The last refinery to be completed in the United States was in 1976, and Mr. McGinnis knows all too well that community and political opposition squashed earlier projects.

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12227

Before it could break ground, however, the Texas-based energy firm would need to clear a maze of regulatory and zoning hurdles, estimated to drag out over four or five years

A $3.5 billion green energy refinery similar to the one envisioned by Hyperion has been under development near Yuma, Ariz., since 1999. It took Arizona Clean Fuels Yuma nearly four years to get its main air quality permit

In addition to that, the site is now being challenged by an American Indian tribe.

Even as demand grows, industry executives say expanding or building refineries is almost impossible in California, thanks to red tape, strict environmental laws and rampant opposition

 

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20040610/ai_n14573340


Please, please stop posting until you actually know what you are talking about.

[SkyRock]

I think crocket might have a good point.

All Bush has to do is make a couple of phone calls, and  he can alter the entire world oil supply/demand and and set the price of oil at whatever he wants.

 

Funny, oil companies making profits that are the largest profits on record for mankind and our gas prices continue to rise.  I'm not saying Bush, himself could raise a finger and help, but then again, he is the president.  

[NUKE]

Funny, oil companies making profits that are the largest profits on record for mankind and our gas prices continue to rise.  I'm not saying Bush, himself could raise a finger and help, but then again, he is the president.   

Isn't that why he went to Iraq? 

No war for oil, lol.

[Shuckins]

The lack of refineries, increased competition in the international market, increased demand here at home....all play a part in the upswing in prices.  However, the most recent surge is due to oil speculators in the stock market.

Not much Bush can do about that.