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Offline john9001

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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2008, 01:23:00 PM »
oil company profits are 7.9%.

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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2008, 01:26:11 PM »
Funny, oil companies making profits that are the largest profits on record for mankind and our gas prices continue to rise.  I'm not saying Bush, himself could raise a finger and help, but then again, he is the president.   :aok

The government makes more profit per gallon off of gas than the oil companies do.  Many times more.
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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2008, 01:28:54 PM »



Big Oil is NOT building because of the freaking tree hugger laws here........save the spotted owl gang.  the hurdles and hoops and penalties have made it no longer practicle to build........same issue with Big Nuke... a very safe, sane, and clean power option taken off the table by libs.
 Plain and simple, it is risky for any business to expand.  The Oil companies find spending their own money on new refineries to be out of the question.  If it were a small shop owner trying to build on to his shop, he wouldn't get anything but a loan.  The big oil companies want subsidies and tax breaks so that they would get the damn things built for free and then they would reap monstrous profits from them.

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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2008, 01:32:57 PM »
 Plain and simple, it is risky for any business to expand.  

It's only risky because they may never get the proper permits to operate or may face grassroots opposition that succeeds. The business itself is quite profitable.  It is  only artificially created hurdles that make it risky.
I've posted several links supporting my asssertions.  can you support yours where you say "The big oil companies want subsidies and tax breaks so that they would get the damn things built for free".  Where did you get this info?
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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2008, 01:37:44 PM »
Wasn't there a very detailed thread a while back about the taxes being a pretty substantial fraction of the US gas prices?  Taxes that were pretty superfluous?
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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2008, 03:04:16 PM »
Wasn't there a very detailed thread a while back about the taxes being a pretty substantial fraction of the US gas prices?  Taxes that were pretty superfluous?

There has always been taxes.. but taxes didn't cause the price to raise from 1.50/gal to now over $3/gal in the last 6 years.
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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2008, 03:26:26 PM »
ahh.. but the half negro guys plan to put a buck or so tax on each gallon and to gouge the oil companies will make it all better?    $7 a gallon but we will "feel" better about it?   the democrats plan to stop all oil exploration and drilling and to stop building refineries and to kill nuke plants is all gonna make it better somehow?

croc-it.. your anguish is a constant source of amusement for me.  it is so.... unnecessary and poorly aimed.

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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2008, 03:30:26 PM »
The lack of refineries, increased competition in the international market, increased demand here at home....all play a part in the upswing in prices.  However, the most recent surge is due to oil speculators in the stock market.

Not much Bush can do about that.

Lotta the upsurge was also because of the recent border dispute in South America Between Columbia/Venezuela, with the prospect of a cut in production.

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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2008, 03:41:57 PM »
It's only risky because they may never get the proper permits to operate or may face grassroots opposition that succeeds. The business itself is quite profitable.  It is  only artificially created hurdles that make it risky.
I've posted several links supporting my asssertions.  can you support yours where you say "The big oil companies want subsidies and tax breaks so that they would get the damn things built for free".  Where did you get this info?
Gonna take a stab at this just to see:

42 gallons in a barrel of oil, if oil rises $10 a barrel, then gas should rise $10/42 or $.24 a gallon(x2 as only 21 gallons of gas can be made from a barrel of oil) so lets say $10 rise in a barrel = $.48 a gallon of gas.  

When oil was $20 a barrel in January 2002 the price of gas was $1.25 a gallon.  In January 2007 oil was $55 a barrel and gas was $3.15 a gallon.  This should have = a rise in gas of $1.68.    $1.25 + $1.68 = $2.93   Pretty close to what it should have been give or take a $.25.  Look at how many gallons the US alone uses and thats a lot of $.25's that get lost here and there.  Lets just say about $45,000,000,000.  

The oil companies have considerable control over what you pay and they make on any given week.  To give them $8,000,000,000 in tax breaks and subsidies every year is like giving the fat lady twinkies!  There is no need for it.



PS  I know I'm about to get slaughtered on these figures, but hey, I put some out there! :aok





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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2008, 03:47:18 PM »
Yes because no Republican has ever stood up to say.. no I don't want a nuclear reactor next to my million dollar house. Some of you right wingers really do fall off the deep end..



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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2008, 03:50:22 PM »
It has nothing to due with the amount of oil.. We have more than enough oil.
We don't.   Again, oil will be EXHAUSTED COMPLETELY within 20-30 years (depending on how soon other fuels are utilized).   

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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2008, 05:01:49 PM »
if you don't like $4.00 a gal gas stop buying it, take the bus, and the price will drop.

of course you could always drive a itsy bitsy teeny car but then women in SUV's would laugh at you.

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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2008, 05:16:55 PM »
Somehow I doubt Bush actually wishes for $5 a gallon gas.
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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2008, 05:39:15 PM »
Lotta the upsurge was also because of the recent border dispute in South America Between Columbia/Venezuela, with the prospect of a cut in production.

Yes, I wonder if Exxon still feels that building their refineries in 3rd world countries was such a great idea, after they got nationalized there.

I bet it they likely feel the same way the Halliburton executives will feel the first time a suicide bomb goes off at their new headquarters in Dubai.

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Re: Looks like Bush will get his retirment wish
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2008, 05:42:08 PM »
if you don't like $4.00 a gal gas stop buying it, take the bus, and the price will drop.

of course you could always drive a itsy bitsy teeny car but then women in SUV's would laugh at you.

Actually for my self I could care less if it were $10/gal, I work from home and burn about a tank full of gas a month. However this effects more than just myself as anything shipped has it's price affected, so it's bad for the country in general.
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