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Offline Motherland

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Wanted: Hans-Joachim Marseille 109G2 profile.
« on: March 15, 2008, 02:21:55 PM »
This was the plane he died in (well, bailing out of). He also scored 7 victories in the G2. I have not been able to find a profile of it, though.
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Re: Wanted: Hans-Joachim Marseille 109G2 profile.
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2008, 05:35:14 PM »
Didn't he die in an engine fire testing a G-1? Wouldn't that mean he never got to fly a G-2?


EDIT: If also dying from a new and untested platform, I don't know if he'd have seen action in it -- not sure though

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Re: Wanted: Hans-Joachim Marseille 109G2 profile.
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2008, 06:22:10 PM »
The two missions of 26 September 1942 had been flown in Bf 109G-2/Trops, in one of which Marseille had shot down seven enemy aircraft. The first six of these machines were to replace the Gruppe's Bf 109Fs. All had been allocated to Marseille's 3 Staffel. Marseille had previously ignored orders to use these new aircraft because of its high engine failure rate, but on the orders of Generalfeldmarschall Albrecht Kesselring, Marseille reluctantly obeyed. One of these machines, WK-Nr. 14256 (Engine: Daimler-Benz DB 605 A-1, W.Nr. 77 411), was to be the final aircraft Marseille flew


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Re: Wanted: Hans-Joachim Marseille 109G2 profile.
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2008, 07:07:41 PM »
Didn't he die in an engine fire testing a G-1? Wouldn't that mean he never got to fly a G-2?


EDIT: If also dying from a new and untested platform, I don't know if he'd have seen action in it -- not sure though
I had read that his G2 had engine malfunctions, he was forced to bail out, and on bail out he hit the vertical stab, dieing instantly.

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Re: Wanted: Hans-Joachim Marseille 109G2 profile.
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2008, 07:30:33 PM »
That part I remember, I just thought it was a G-1  :aok

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Re: Wanted: Hans-Joachim Marseille 109G2 profile.
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2008, 07:48:08 PM »
That part I remember, I just thought it was a G-1  :aok
If it WERE a G-1, could I skin it as a G2? I dont know what the differences between the two were.
While were on the subject of Gustav subvariants, what was the difference between the G2 and the G4?

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Re: Wanted: Hans-Joachim Marseille 109G2 profile.
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2008, 07:55:24 PM »
Proabably as small as the differences between the F2 and F4.

I'd say yeah, G1s would pass as G2s, skins wise.

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Re: Wanted: Hans-Joachim Marseille 109G2 profile.
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2008, 08:42:52 PM »
G1 was high altitude with a pressurized cockpit. G2 was non pressurized and no provision for gm-1 boost. several miscellaneous external fittings for cockpit ventilation on the G2 as well as lacking the compressor air intake on the left side of the cowling


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Re: Wanted: Hans-Joachim Marseille 109G2 profile.
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2008, 08:47:40 PM »
sorry for some reason I was on G1 - G2 difference.


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Re: Wanted: Hans-Joachim Marseille 109G2 profile.
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2008, 09:03:20 PM »
G4  has  different radio equipment requiring the location of the fuselage antenna lead in to be moved further aft. Larger main gear wheels 660x160 vs. 650x150 (this was kind of mixed between the early G4s having the small wheels and later the larger.  well the later G2 could have the larger wheels as well.) Fairings on the wing to accommodate changes in the gear leg angle due to the larger wheels this was the first of the external bulges on the airframe that earned it the nickname  Beule (bump) which stuck to the 109 through  the rest of its career.Larger tailwheel  non retractable (also applied to some G2s). G2s could be retrofitted with the wing fairings as well.


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