Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.

[Arlo]

Now I don't want to get in a Bible quoting contest, but you are trying to spin this into me calling Bible teachings, Marxist. What I'm saying is  Black Liberation Theology rewrites the Bible with a Marxist/class warfare agenda.

No, I asked you if that was the portion quoted that you were referring to as Marxist ideology. I'll ask again. Is that the portion quoted that you referred to as "typical liberal speech expounding on the evils of capitalism. Its the Marxist rhetoric common in black Liberation Theology?"

The dimensions involved in your viewpoint as well as the agenda you appear to have before this discussion even began here seem blown out of proportion. But please, answer my question directly as you continue to expound and make logical connections for me. Thank you.

[lazs2]

It also seems odd that osamabama is married to a woman who said that she has never ever in her whole life felt any hope for America until she seen a crowd cheering for her husband..

the guy has been living with a woman who thinks America was/is a land of no hope or opportunity.. even tho.. she has had an ideal lifestyle all her life.   

while neither his pastor or his wife mean that the half negro guy is a racist.. it does mean that he, at the least, has the most important people in his life who are, if not full blown racists..  at least, seperate from Americans and American ideals in general.

lazs

[midnight Target]

That is not what she said, but you probably know that already.

[Toad]

I think Laz may be referring to this quote of Michelle's:

“Hope is making a comeback and, let me tell you, for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change,” she said during a rally in downtown Milwaukee

[lazs2]

so mt..  you think it is healthy to live with a person as your wife... who has never had any hope for America or Americans?   who goes to a church that has a huge chip on it's shoulder about the white race?

It is not "is America ready for a negro president"  it is "are negros ready to be part of America."   osamabama and everyone close to him seem to be saying no to the latter.   

How is blaming whites for your problems or class envy in any way "new" or "change"?   

same old line.. different whiney liberal socialist with a chip on his shoulder looking for a way to exploit envy.

lazs

[BTW]

No, I asked you if that was the portion quoted that you were referring to as Marxist ideology. I'll ask again. Is that the portion quoted that you referred to as "typical liberal speech expounding on the evils of capitalism. Its the Marxist rhetoric common in black Liberation Theology?"

The dimensions involved in your viewpoint as well as the agenda you appear to have before this discussion even began here seem blown out of proportion. But please, answer my question directly as you continue to expound and make logical connections for me. Thank you.

The specific line that MT quoted would be :

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze - a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many.

This is a the specific line that points to capitalism as the problem that is creating the tensions between the races. This puts up the rich ( and probably white according to most Black Liberation Theologists) cooperate bosses as the Bourgeoisie, and the confused racist working class whites and blacks as Proletariat.

There's nothing new here. Its Marxism with a racial slant. The "real culprits" are the rich white people, the Bourgeoisie.

[midnight Target]

"For the first time in my life I'm really proud of my Country" - Madison WI.

Hardly the same as

who has never had any hope for America or Americans

Why spin it? Why make a huge deal out of a statement by a candidates wife? The political discourse in this Country is broken and it is statements like yours Lazs that break it. Maybe her life experience was a little different than yours. Maybe she has never felt pride like this before. Why exactly is that a bad thing? Doesn't mean you hate America. I always loved my children, but the real moments of pride came when they accomplished something great. Doesn't mean I didn't love them.

[Arlo]

The specific line that MT quoted would be :

"Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze - a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many."

This is a the specific line that points to capitalism as the problem that is creating the tensions between the races. This puts up the rich ( and probably white according to most Black Liberation Theologists) cooperate bosses as the Bourgeoisie, and the confused racist working class whites and blacks as Proletariat.

There's nothing new here. Its Marxism with a racial slant. The "real culprits" are the rich white people, the Bourgeoisie.

First, I can't understand why your first response would have been anything other than providing the quote you were referring to since I wasn't able to intuit from your post which one you meant.

Secondly, I still see you blowing it out of proportion. That quote is no more Marxist or racist than it could be rationalized to be "Martian" or "Elven." The middle class has been dealt a blow by the current corporate culture as described in the quote. How dealing with the problem at hand makes something "Marxist" (ie: attacking capitalism ... which it didn't - you just percieve so, for some reason) therefor making it dishonest is, itself, a less than honest method of rebuttal. If this is the tact you're choosing to take then my curiousity is satisfied. Carry on.

[BTW]

First, I can't understand why your first response would have been anything other than providing the quote you were referring to since I wasn't able to intuit from your post which one you meant.

Secondly, I still see you blowing it out of proportion. That quote is no more Marxist or racist than it could be rationalized to be "Martian" or "Elven." The middle class has been dealt a blow by the current corporate culture as described in the quote. How dealing with the problem at hand makes something "Marxist" (ie: attacking capitalism ... which it didn't - you just percieve so, for some reason) therefor making it dishonest is, itself, a less than honest method of rebuttal. If this is the tact you're choosing to take then my curiousity is satisfied. Carry on.

 I should have quoted MT. I thought my reply would directly follow his. My bad. I don't think I'm blowing anything out of proportion. A lot smarter people than I have pontificated on the Marxist agenda of Black Liberation Theology. I encourage all to look into Black Liberation Theology to see if they are comfortable with it. If they are, they should vote for Obama. I'm not comfortable with it at all. All of a sudden he isn't a blank slate. I have a glimpse of the "change" he sees and it extends further that socialized medicine. I find it anti-capitalistic to the Castro degree. Sorry - I don't wanna be Cuba.

[JBA]

I think Laz may be referring to this quote of Michelle's:

“Hope is making a comeback and, let me tell you, for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change,” she said during a rally in downtown Milwaukee

This B-ocht has never had anything to be proud of in 40+ years. How does that make you vet's feel? Makes me want to puke in my mouth and I'm not a vet.

The more I hear about this racist couple the more I dislike them. 
MT did you give up supporting Hillbillary?  http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,98113.0.html


I would say if someone attend 20 years of  KKK meetings and donated over 20k to the cause, and asked the leader to Baptist his kids and marry him off to his wife, I’d say they shouldn't be elected.

Hussein Obama's political career will be over after November. Once he and hillbillary have kick eachothers A's for 6 months they will be to damage to win the general. And we don't elect losers, after the first try. Not since Nixon.

[Arlo]

This B-ocht has never ...

The more I hear about this racist couple .... 
.... supporting Hillbillary? ... 

20 years of  KKK meetings !!! ...

Hussein Obama's political career will be over after November....

Once he and hillbillary have kick eachothers A's ....

As much as I like your avatar, I don't find hyperbole and mud as particularly convincing as you seem to. No really. Read what you wrote. It's there and you seem convinced that it's convincing. I kinda understand that there may be angst involved regarding the potential election of a Democrat ... even worse ... a "racist" black Democrat .... but, hey. That's ok. Carry on. I'm good with it. No need to ask you to elaborate on something already quite elaborate. And apologies in advance for offending those who seem to think my criticism of hyperbole without adding something to the conversation as "worthy" as it "is" (ahem) is dragging the "debate" of the thread down.

[AKIron]

Some of the talking heads are saying this may even cost Obama the nomination. That would be a real shame. I think we should all forgive the guy his poor judgement. At least until he whups Hillary. 

[rpm]

All this talk about a Obama being a racist. Does that mean it mean more coming from O'C racists?

[JBA]

It's not so much that he's may or may not be a racist. But he sure dose exercise poor judgment.
The people he supports are racist. i.e Wright
The people he calls friends are crooks. i.e.  Obama who denied an inappropriate fiscal relationship with Tony Rezco, only to later admit that the notorious and allegedly criminal Chicago hack had directly intervened to help Sen. Obama buy a multi-million house.
The campaign had initially claimed Rezko-connected contributions were no more than $60,000, an amount the campaign donated to charity. Then the figure grew to around $86,000, and there were
additional revelations that put the amount at about $150,000. Obama's [new] $250,000 accounting was a substantial jump and clearly contradicted earlier campaign statements that Rezko was just one of "thousands of donors."

And he's untruthfull about the NAFTA talk.

[lazs2]

I don't know how you can interpret..

 ""For the first time in my life I'm really proud of my Country"

to mean anything other than thinking that America was/is a VERY bad place.   Why would anyone marry and live with such a person if they loved America?

Seems to me that they are both saying that the old America.. the America of capitalism and opportunity needs to go away and the new/old teddy kennedy and your-0-peean America of socialism and race hating  and class envy needs to take over.

So far I have never met a negro who trusted the white race and did not blame.   why would I vote for one to have power over me?   even a half negro one.

lazs