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Offline Arlo

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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2008, 09:13:48 AM »
Do you  strive to be a DB or dose it come naturally? The point I was making was that the left some how found a right to a medical procedure in the constitution, but where it explicitly states a right, to bare arms, that they cannot see.

"Does" ... "bear" .... but don't stop on my account. :D

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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2008, 09:21:53 AM »
"Does" ... "bear" .... but don't stop on my account. :D
Why would I? Woo your so cleaver. HEHE  http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Blog+Police
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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2008, 09:24:17 AM »
Woo your so cleaver. HEHE  http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Blog+Police

And "you're" .... but that's just my extra DB dose speaking ....

Anyway ... you were saying before the ADD kicked in? :)

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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2008, 09:46:05 AM »
I went so far as to suggest a full-blown M-16 and some of the most fervent uncontrolled gun proliferation activists had a cow. ;)

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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2008, 09:48:38 AM »
Eat mor chikin! M-16s for everyone! (Cheaper than the average hundred year "global" war on terror bogged in Iraq).  :D

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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2008, 11:27:44 AM »
Time to consider stopping feeding the troll.
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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2008, 12:01:23 PM »
Time to consider stopping feeding the troll.

Well posts like this certainly accomplish both advancing the argument and keeping things on track. What's your argument that keeps things on track, again? :D

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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2008, 12:57:42 PM »
As usual Arlo, this thread is bereft of anything substantial posted by you.

You sir are still just a troll.
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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2008, 02:27:00 PM »
arlo... there are plenty of citizens in the US who have legal m16's..  I would ask you to tell me what is so wrong with that.   How many have been slaughtered?   

Same for .50 caliber rifles.  the point is that, with luck, the burden of proof will be on the silly liberals like yourself who sit with a superior grin and a fake jon stewart  style (the jon stewart when his writers aren't on strike)..  guys like you will have to PROVE that a ban is wothwhile.. that it is "reasonable" and not just some touchy feely idiot grinning sort of "well gaaaaaally...  yuck yuck..  why not just pass out M16's then? yuck yuck"

This is of course.. how it should be.   

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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2008, 04:24:45 PM »
not just some touchy feely idiot grinning sort of "well gaaaaaally...  yuck yuck..  why not just pass out M16's then? yuck yuck"
lazs

I`m all for Arlo`s idea of passing out M16s...................as long as I can trade them for a more efficient weapon of my choice.
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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #70 on: March 24, 2008, 08:30:44 AM »
bingie must have gone fetal.    His "it all hinges on what the meaning of militia is" and "the people" means "the state"  ideas don't seem to resonate too well with 98% of "the people" and.. it seems.. the judges.

bingie seems to have left the room.   Back to england no doubt.

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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #71 on: March 24, 2008, 08:51:13 AM »
Bingo never understood what it was about from the get-go.

Seems like it will clearly go down in the books as an individual right.

There'll be more cases after this one on the reasonable restriction part though. The irony on that aspect is Miller though. Years and years the lefties have pointed to Miller as a good ruling although it was cleary, deeply and seriously flawed. Nonetheless, it is precedent now. The beauty of that is that Miller supported having weapons suitable to military use. I doubt they'll get an more assault weapons bans through.  :rofl
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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2008, 02:53:16 PM »
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Seems like it will clearly go down in the books as an individual right.

Any links for that Toad?
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« Reply #73 on: March 24, 2008, 02:53:58 PM »
i think the founding fathers were correct with the first ammendment...Why would anyone think they weren't ahead of their time with the second as welll?
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Re: The Greatest Gun Battle in History Begins This Tuesday
« Reply #74 on: March 24, 2008, 03:15:17 PM »
Gonna probably hate myself for stepping in here, but it's where it gets confusing for me.  Be clear I'm a gun owner, with a couple of AR-15s and a couple of AKs among the collection so I'm not just trying to raise a fuss.

I've always read the 2nd amendment in the context of the entire document.  To me what it has always said, and this is trying to frame it within the time frame it was written, that the Feds can't tell the people they can't have personal weapons.  It doesn't say that there can't be regulation on a State level.  It refers to Militia in more then one place and makes it clear that the states are to regulate their own militias under standard guidelines set down by the Feds on the chance they need to be used to defend the country as a whole, but even that is on the OK of each state which provide the leadership for said state militia.  It also says that the Feds would provide the arms if neccesary.

So that individual right to bear arms is also subject to the training and regulation of each state which each of us would be responsible to as gun owners.  If it hits the fan, we're an armed force to be used under federal training guidelines implimented by each state and under the leadership of local officers.

The whole goal of the amendment, reading it from here, was to allow the citizens of each state some protection from the federal government implementing martial law over the country and taking control with a federal army.

So basically a state could impliment different gun laws, yet be responsible to provide it's own militia of armed citizens, trained by the state leaders under federal training standards.

None of that conflicts with any of the statements quoting founding fathers on people owning guns.

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