Another He-111 request

[DaddyAck]

Gentlemen,

I ask of you before posting the hangar queen comments, please consider this aircraft's historical significance.  Also consider that it would be a great bomber for the German planeset because the bomber plane set is rather slim pickings.  Furthermore it would be greatly useful for senarios and FSOs, not all the comunity care for taking out the latest 1944-45 hotrod all the time.  Some like myself like to fly the older hardware for the challenge that it represents, as well as some feel certian connections to a particular fighter/bomber that they just do not get from other planes.  For me this wouold be that plane, as is my 109 for the fighter aspect.  This plane could be coaded in several versions as the B.25 was, as it too had many variants.  Here are some stats for it for those that may have 1, forgotten or 2, just never cared to look.

Specifications (Heinkel He 111H-16) 

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BASE INFORMATION:

Base Series Designation: Heinkel He 111
Classification Type: Medium Bomber
Contractor: Heinkel
Country of Origin: Nazi Germany
Initial Year of Service: 1936
Crew / Passengers: 5
Production Total: 7,300

DIMENSIONS:

Length: 53.81 ft | 16.40 m
Wingspan/Width: 74.15 ft | 22.60 m
Height: 11.15 ft | 3.40 m
Empty Weight: 19,136 lbs | 8,680 kg
MTOW: 30,865 lbs | 14,000 kg
 
PERFORMANCE:

Engine(s): 2 x Junkers Jumo 211F inverted V-12 piston engines generating 1,350hp each.

Max Speed: 271 mph | 436 km/h | 235 kts
Max Range: 1,212 miles | 1,950 km
Service Ceiling: 21,982 ft | 6,700 m | 4.2 miles
Climb Rate: 486.69 ft/min (148.34 m/min)

ARMAMENT:

External Hardpoints: 2
Armament:
1 x 20mm MG FF cannon in nose position
1 x 13mm MG 131 machine gun in dorsal position
2 x 7.92mm MG 15 machine guns in rear of ventral gondola position.
2 x 7.92mm MG 81 machine guns in two beam positions.

Maximum bombload of up to 4,409lbs held internally and up to 4,409lbs fitted externally.

So I close by asking that those of you that want this plane as much as I do, make your voices known.  HTC has given to the community two versions of a new fighter and a facelift for another, so asking for a bomber to flesh out the German bomber set is not unreasonable.  Yes I do realize that there are numerous old threads on this subject via the search button, however I saw that they were all rater dated and I thought it more prudent to start this one.  Thank you for your time.

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Daddy

[Strip]

I agree.....we need this plane.

Is that a total of 8818lbs of ord?

Or is it one or the other?

Strip

[DaddyAck]

eiter or.  Not both.  It depends on what bomb packge taken.  The total was still 4,409lbs.

[Denholm]

YES!

[Krusty]

The external bomb mounts blocked the internal bomb bay doors. Definitely either/or, not both.

However, there were only the 2 mounts under the fuselage, so you'll be trading 20x 50kg bombs for 2x 1000kg bombs. You get more punch but much less to salvo!


(weight loads up there are approximate, I would need to double check what the actual loads were)

[Bruv119]

Only reason I approve this German Bomber request is so that in the next BofB scenario our Hurri mk1's will have something

1.  that they can catch
2.  That will break under 303 fire
3.  Slow enough to kill more than one after your initial pass

the extra realism of a BofB pilot wrecking German scrap metal instead of it getting away!

[Krusty]

Well, Bruv, I've got some stories of RAF Hurricane Mk.I pilots attacking a lone Heinkel, all attacking it one after the other in a relentless manner. They expended all their ammo, lost one of their wingmen, and the plane limped off. It was trailing oil and probably didn't make it across the channel, but still it was nowhere near an instant kill 

[Bruv119]

Probably some 2 week noobs all chasing one kill.

I'm sure I will do just fine shooting em !

[Denholm]

999000

[Krusty]

^---- will still fly B-17s because they will be a heckuva lot more lethal and durable than a formation of He111s.




Keep in mind the 20mm had limited ammo, and was a forward firing ground strafing gun (forward window of the gondola, most times). The nose gun is 7mm. The rear gondola is 1x 7mm (I don't recall reading 2x 7mms in this position) and 2 narrow-field beam guns are 7mm. The dorsal is listed as 13mm but I have seen more that state it's a 7mm.

Armed, sure. But armed like a Ki67 that's run out of 20mm ammo.

[DaddyAck]

I would definately fly these around.  Heck maby I would even start bombing again as opposed to Jabo.

[Krusty]

I'd hit it. The Heinkel is one of those planes I loved way before I ever knew about games like Aces High. It and the B-25 have soft spots in my heart. I fly the supposed hangar queen B-25C almost every time I bomb, so I can say I'd use the He111 often (and you know I mean it!)

[angelsandair]

all in all, it carries more than the B-17. I wonder why people dont want it.

[Krusty]

It does not carry more than a B17. Nor does it fly higher nor does it fly faster.

It's very much an early war design, don't forget that.

[apcampbell]

Absolutely yes! As well as the HE-111, we also need the JU-52, and  G4M Betty added if for nothing more than realism in EW setups. So, let's offically request these for futer updates. Wouldn't mind the P-36 and Brewster Buffalo included in there as well.