Europe moves up to #1 on Bin Laden's Hit List

[Maverick]

Fishu,

While I understand what you were meaning to say, I personally would not wish something like a WTC attack on any other nation.

[Elfie]

Fishu,

While I understand what you were meaning to say, I personally would not wish something like a WTC attack on any other nation.

I have to agree with all of that Mav.

[Fishu]

While I understand what you were meaning to say, I personally would not wish something like a WTC attack on any other nation.

It will happen if the policy on immigration and minorities doesn't take a step towards realism. While I don't hope any terrorist strikes to happen, I don't either see anything to stop it from happening. If that is required to open the eyes of our leaders then so be it, rather sooner than later. I am not willing live in fear of what might happen if I don't do this or that to please the muslim minority. It is our independency and liberty at stake, dangered by the muslim minorities forcing us by fear to live by their ever increasing demands. I would rather die for the freedom than give up my life style due to fear. Either the muslims in Europe tolerate our life style without violence or they should be transported out of Europe to there where the life style is more appealing to them. They are not in the position to make demands, especially by violence and threats.

[AKIron]

It will happen if the policy on immigration and minorities doesn't take a step towards realism. While I don't hope any terrorist strikes to happen, I don't either see anything to stop it from happening. If that is required to open the eyes of our leaders then so be it, rather sooner than later. I am not willing live in fear of what might happen if I don't do this or that to please the muslim minority. It is our independency and liberty at stake, dangered by the muslim minorities forcing us by fear to live by their ever increasing demands. I would rather die for the freedom than give up my life style due to fear. Either the muslims in Europe tolerate our life style without violence or they should be transported out of Europe to there where the life style is more appealing to them. They are not in the position to make demands, especially by violence and threats.

Even if they set off a nuke and killed tens of thousands you can't blame all the muslims there for what just a few do.

Just regurgitating a line that has been thrown at us here in the US more than a few times.

[Angus]

Europeans always had terrorists, and many nations, including Spain and Britain, have much longer experience in dealing with the threat than the USA.

BTW, wasn't the second biggest casualty terrorist raid in the USA done by a red-hot-army native?

[AKIron]

Europeans always had terrorists, and many nations, including Spain and Britain, have much longer experience in dealing with the threat than the USA.

BTW, wasn't the second biggest casualty terrorist raid in the USA done by a red-hot-army native?

Living with the threat I think you mean. Dealing implies they've made at least some impact on curtailing terrorist activity. When Europe gets serious about "dealing" with their home grown terrorists they will have a war on their hands that looks like the middle east.

[Fishu]

Even if they set off a nuke and killed tens of thousands you can't blame all the muslims there for what just a few do.

Just regurgitating a line that has been thrown at us here in the US more than a few times.

It's not simply about setting off nuke, but the current threat and violence is already altering our life style. If the muslims aren't pleased with something they go on the streets in masses and shout death to the infidels. They do that in Europe, and we allow it. It's not a big wonder if a bomb would go off, because we are way too lenient on them. We take muslims to Europe and don't even expect them to integrate - instead it is us who are expected to integrate to the whim of the outsiders. We are taking steps to please the muslims so we wouldn't have to be afraid of violence. That just isn't right. We are giving our freedom and life style away so we wouldn't have to be afraid of violence, but yet we still don't feel safe as more demands are made. This has to stop.

For example in Finland many publicly funded swimming halls have instituted saturday as the day of immigrants (= muslims), so that the immigrants could swim there in their own swimming suits without us infidels. I didn't know about this until recently, it's an outrage.

[Selino631]

frikin Jihadists...

[-tronski-]

I think you'll find Europeans are already fighting... and dying... in Afghanistan, thanks.

France and Germany should have combat troops in Afghanistan, like the British. I wouldn't expect them to deploy in Iraq since they have always been against it (which they are more than entitled to do - it is a US/UK creation afterall), but a Taleban Afghanistan is a threat to them as much as anyone.

Thankfully our troops are finally being withdrawn from Iraq - and I believe that'll allow a reinforcement of our combat forces in southern Afghanistan, especially if the dutch PRT which we're teamed up with, do withdraw next year like they plan too.

Its good to see the French are going to deploy fresh troops to the south, and take off the combat restrictions...hopefully the Germans will too

For example in Finland many publicly funded swimming halls have instituted saturday as the day of immigrants (= muslims), so that the immigrants could swim there in their own swimming suits without us infidels. I didn't know about this until recently, it's an outrage.

So you want freedom - but not for everyone? 

 Tronsky

[SFRT - Frenchy]

What you guys fail to realise is that in EU a major amount of the population is arabic, kind of like you guys have Mexicans in the US. Consequently, we have to be carefull of what we are doing military speaking. Imagine USA sending troops in Mexico, you'll start a massive riot that would be prety destructive for your backyard. Same stuff with us.

Otherwise, nothing new there, US was still in dreamland when we were getting our subways bombed once a week. Armed soldiers in train/subways/airports is comon sight for over 15 years in EU.

as far as France not setting foot in Afganistan, a quick Google would educate
http://www.ambafrance-ca.org/spip.php?article1328
http://www.ambafrance-uk.org/France-steps-up-its-military.html

[angelsandair]

Well, I hope he really means france. Course, idk why. They have done more to help the enemy then the US in history. WW2 and the cold war.
As for the rest of Europe, good hunting.

[Elfie]

What you guys fail to realise is that in EU a major amount of the population is arabic, kind of like you guys have Mexicans in the US. Consequently, we have to be carefull of what we are doing military speaking. Imagine USA sending troops in Mexico, you'll start a massive riot that would be prety destructive for your backyard. Same stuff with us.

Deportation.

[Dowding]

Living with the threat I think you mean. Dealing implies they've made at least some impact on curtailing terrorist activity. When Europe gets serious about "dealing" with their home grown terrorists they will have a war on their hands that looks like the middle east.

Like many of your compatriots, you are irrevocably without a clue when it comes European terrorism. 'Dealing' with terrorism doesn't necessarily involve Blackhawks, Abrams and Carrier Groups. You don't 'deal' with homegrown terrorism by turning your country into Beirut.

Sensibly, your own country recognises that, and would much rather it happen overseas - afterall, don't we often hear around here that you would rather be fighting terrorists in the streets of Baghdad rather than Washington, as an excuse for involvement in Iraq?

That aside, 'dealing' with the IRA involved negociation and actually talking with the moderates, marginalising the extremists and eroding their popular support.

[chase4]

July 7th : Multiple Bombings on london transport links, buses, subways etc 52 Dead 700 injured


June 29,June 30 2007 : Car packed with flammable gas cylinders and nails scattered throughout the interior rams into Glasgow International Airport (5 miles away from my house fyi) tanks caught fire but did not explode. Day before this happened two cars were found In london's west end packed with petrol canisters failed to detonate.  It is thought they were going to explode by remote detonation when the Clubs and pubs were emptying.

So you see, it isn't just America that is under terrorist threat and attack.  I know 9/11 was an absolute atroticity and my heart still goes out to all those who lost their family and their lives but we are also living under a serious threat.
 

[Holden McGroin]

Quote from: Fishu on Yesterday at 01:25:40 PM


For example in Finland many publicly funded swimming halls have instituted saturday as the day of immigrants (= muslims), so that the immigrants could swim there in their own swimming suits without us infidels. I didn't know about this until recently, it's an outrage.

So you want freedom - but not for everyone? 

 Tronsky

At least in the USA, court rulings in the last 75 years or so have concluded that seperate but equal is inherantly unequal.

Setting aside Saturday for a certain group means the freedom for those outside the group is abridged... No?

Before the day was set aside, anybody could swim if they wanted to, regardless of immigration or religious status? 

So freedom for everyone would then be ... anybody can swim... anytime, if you don't want to swim, then don't.