Perk the WiberlWind!!

[BaldEagl]

I got a kill on a crossing shot at ~1500 in a WW just the other night.  I used to do that regularly in the Osti.  The technique seems about the same.  The difference is, one hit from an Osti and they were dead.  I got hits on a second 1500 crosser the same night in the WW but only pinged the guy up that time.

I haven't had an opportunity to try a head on in the WW yet but 2-2.5K kills in an Osti head on were easy.

Now that the Osti head positions are back to normal I bet you see a lot less WW's and a lot more Osti's again.

[Oleg]

Now that the Osti head positions are back to normal I bet you see a lot less WW's and a lot more Osti's again.

I would rather say "a little less WWs and a little more Osties" but we'll see. I dont expect WW's kills drop below 85%.

Now we have:
WW: 15578/9264 (91.5%)
Osti: 1247/1328 (7.3%)
M16: 196/554 (1.2%)

[SD67]

If you have a problem with the wirby's then kill the damn VH.
Problem solved

[moot]

I would rather say "a little less WWs and a little more Osties" but we'll see. I dont expect WW's kills drop below 85%.

Now we have:
WW: 15578/9264 (91.5%)
Osti: 1247/1328 (7.3%)
M16: 196/554 (1.2%)

Oleg please compare this proportion to the proportion of players that ignore ACM, SA, proper gunnery, tactics, and general furballing dynamics.  You'll find they're pretty much the same.

[soupcan]

This GV is seriously being abused, IMO.

O krusty, how your complaining makes me laugh. You haven't given even one example
of "abuse" yet. Tanks being escorted by WWs is abuse? LOL. GVs rolling onto an enemy
field is "abuse"? 12 WWs sitting in a group is "abuse".

If these are the best examples of "abuse" you can provide then i must surmise that
the purpose of your posts is to provide comedy to the readers.
<S>

[Krusty]

Soupcan, your literal interpretation can only be taken as an attempt to pick a fight.

It is being abused the same way the chog was. Through over-use by a large majority. Gee, guess what happened to the chog? And it was ONLY 25% of the total aircraft use, the WW is well above that marker.

[moot]

Krusty the only right tactic against the WW is the one that satisfies your criteria for success.  If success means taking zero risk in being hit by it, then yes, abstention is the right tactic.
If killing it like the one-trick pony it is, is 'success', then all you need to do is tag-team it, and/or fly an unpredictable path.  Any burst of bullets on target will kill the turret, any very accurate 250lb will kill it, and anything equal to or bigger than 500lbs is easy enough for anyone who practiced just a dozen dive-bombing runs to kill or disable the WW.

Like someone said, if you have film of someone hitting you from 2.5-3K, that's another issue, as the 'stock' WW reaches only to 1.7.

" Sometimes, like what happened a couple weeks ago, you get WWs escorting panzers and tigers that camp ON your RUNWAYS (ignoring the town) in a totally disruptive mission." 
I don't see what the problem is, here.  Sounds like a successful use of tactics by them.

[Blammo]

Oleg please compare this proportion to the proportion of players that ignore ACM, SA, proper gunnery, tactics, and general furballing dynamics.  You'll find they're pretty much the same.

Your helping to make a case for the unperking of every vehicle and aircraft in the game.  Please keep at it! 

[moot]

Unperking everything would have the same mass of players that go straight for the path of least resistence now, go for the least difficult planes to fly. 

[hubsonfire]

I'm not sure I want an arena full of Temps. I'd rather have one full of Wirbels- there's always the option to flee, and return with more ordnance. No Wirbel will chase you back to your field.

[BnZ]

Come on Krusty, you've got to know the numbers don't mean much when you've basically got two tools for the job. The Wirbel and the Osti are about it for semi-resillient manned AA guns, considering even the field guns go down from very little. The WW is more effective for the average Joe, but that is a good thing. I still cannot see the problem with the ground being able to strafe back. If we get more kinds of manned 20mm AA that divides the usage percentages up, will that make you feel better?

The WW situation is not really comparable to C-Hog situation. The C-Hog represents one of the best, if not the best, fighter planes in the game that is also an awesome attack plane, mated to the best gun package in the game. This from a field of over 100 airplanes. The WW basically represents a ground defense weapon that most people can actually make work. It is the "best" land-based AA weapon in the game in alot of ways, but the field is small and the bar is set pretty low for that acheivement.

Upped at a VH for a few minutes in an Osti to check out the new views last night. But it was pretty pointless. No strafers, a couple of in-and-out divebombers, mostly heavies coming in at medium altitudes to bomb the base into oblivion. No real target for either the Osti or the WW. I am not complaining mind you, this is what the attackers SHOULD be doing. If one wished to complain that the WW has made people too smart to fly right into flaks at low level and thus removed some sport from AA defense, one might have a point.

I don't have the figures, but I think, like, nearly 100% of aerial troop drop and re-supply sorties were done with the C-47. If that doesn't argue for perkage, I don't know what does.

[Krusty]

Fair enough, numbers alone don't, but effect on gameplay? With flaks and m16s you could still go in to a field. With WWs it's sheer suicide.

Steamrolling runways and towns is way easier as well.

Definitely an impact to gameplay, definitely rampaging through the arenas.

[moot]

Fair enough, numbers alone don't, but effect on gameplay? With flaks and m16s you could still go in to a field. With WWs it's sheer suicide.

Steamrolling runways and towns is way easier as well.

Definitely an impact to gameplay, definitely rampaging through the arenas.

If you don't know how to bomb, yes.  Anyone who's got two weeks of practice, and 2x500 or 2x1000 under him means it's suicide for the WWs.
The WW makes it so that GVs have 1:1 odds now, as opposed to (e.g.) 2 Osties and an M16 needed to kill 1 guy who knows how to dive bomb.  As for nests of WWs, or WWs+OW+etc, that's begging for carpet bombing.  Considering that formations aren't perked, it'd be hard to perk the WW when any guy who knows how to calibrate could wipe em all out in one salvo without spending a single perk.
It's starting to sound like the guys who want the WW perked just don't want more gameplay and tactics diversity.

[BnZ]

If you don't know how to bomb, yes.  Anyone who's got two weeks of practice, and 2x500 or 2x1000 under him means it's suicide for the WWs.
The WW makes it so that GVs have 1:1 odds now, as opposed to (e.g.) 2 Osties and an M16 needed to kill 1 guy who knows how to dive bomb.  As for nests of WWs, or WWs+OW+etc, that's begging for carpet bombing.  Considering that formations aren't perked, it'd be hard to perk the WW when any guy who knows how to calibrate could wipe em all out in one salvo without spending a single perk.

Unperked bombers wiping out unperked WW...brilliant.

Though I have to admit Krusty, I do like what the effect the WW is having for the defensive more than the offensive...if you could somehow only perk it on offensive missions, I might go along.

[moot]

There's no reason to perk it so long as all it takes to counter its ease of use is a single well-placed 500 pounder or opportunistic small burst of bullets of pretty much any caliber.

A lowered ENY will be enough to balance its effectiveness.