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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2008, 07:14:32 PM »
Well, you're a cat guy.....but don't expect them to meoww away an intruder...

In an armed invasion the cat would be the best choice. They will get out of your way.Cats have a tendency to run like hell when the poo comes down.
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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2008, 10:59:19 PM »
Shotguns work. intruder hears CLACK CLACK and thinks oh man, this guys prepared, i better get on out.

HOWEVER, as a SFC once told, best home defense weapon is a chain saw. 
On the issue of night vision, its kinda impractical. best thing is to have a master switch that turns on all the lights at once except for your room. you can see out, they cant see in.

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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2008, 07:56:26 AM »
In an armed invasion the cat would be the best choice. They will get out of your way.Cats have a tendency to run like hell when the poo comes down.

Actually, it works great if you pick up the cat and throw it at the intruder's face.

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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2008, 08:33:07 AM »
I can't imagine using a shotgun for home protection. Sure, they might blow a hole the size of Nebraska in an intruder... but a handgun will still do fine to kill someone if they're breaking into your home ~ plus it allows for a full clip. :)
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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2008, 08:50:22 AM »
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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2008, 08:51:42 AM »
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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2008, 08:54:00 AM »
I prefer a shotgun because if you peek around a corner and see bad guys, you can hold the shotgun in front of you without exposing yourself and pull the trigger.  Plus most intruders will change their minds once they hear a shotgun cycle.
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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2008, 08:58:24 AM »
I'm sorry, it just seems wrong to use a shotgun to kill a person with. Seems like that's the kind of thing you're supposed to go hunting prey with... I don't necessarily understand why I object more to the type of gun than the actual killing itself.

Good point Xargos, peeking it around the corner does seem to give it a good advantage.



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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2008, 09:09:32 AM »
The only thing better than a shotgun for close range engagement is a flame thrower and those are illegal. Also in my situation, apartment living, I also have to consider over penetration of a round. Any of my pistols will go through a wall with no problem. My shotgun I keep loaded with #4 Phesant loads. Good stopping power if I hit a person with them but they will not over penetrate and go through a wall and injure someone on the other side.

And as many have already said, the simple act of racking the slide on a pump action shotgun will deter most criminals. Everyone recognizes that sound for what it is. I consider that my one and only "verbal" warning.
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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2008, 09:29:47 AM »
shotgun works fine.. a little clumsy tho in a furnished home of normal size.   I wouldn't poke the barrel around corners tho..  someone would just take it away from you.

racking the slide is showy but in my shotguns it would just waste a round.. throw a live round on the ground..  the sound you would hear with my trench gun is the hammer coming back.

angus..nope.. not much of a dog person... not much of a pet person in any case.   I didn't kill the cats my daughter left tho.. they are not much trouble.. I can leave em for a week or two when I want.  They know how to eat and drink in moderation and how to use a cat box.   A dog would simply die of stupidity.

I like handguns for nightstand work.   Hard to take a 12 guage pump on the road.  not a good motel or guest gun.

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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2008, 09:38:19 AM »
It is not safe leaving a round in the chamber of a shotgun.  There is no transfer bar in most, if any, shotguns. 

I would be fired from my job if a round was ever found in the chamber of my shotgun at work, unless I was about to shoot an escaping inmate.
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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2008, 10:05:57 AM »
I trust the 1/4 notch on my 97 as much as I trust the "safety" on most semi autos.. or any auto for that matter.  I wouldn't trust that notch on a single action colt type revolver tho. the two are quite different apart from both being a notch.

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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2008, 10:25:55 AM »
I leave my wheelguns loaded if they have a transfer bar.  I sold most of my semi-autos and don't leave ammo in any of the ones I have left.
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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #43 on: March 22, 2008, 10:40:18 AM »
I can't imagine using a shotgun for home protection. Sure, they might blow a hole the size of Nebraska in an intruder... but a handgun will still do fine to kill someone if they're breaking into your home ~ plus it allows for a full clip. :)

There is a fear factor associated with shotguns. Fleeing criminals have been known to freeze at the mere sound of a pump shotgun chambering a round. You are far less likely to miss an intruder with a shotgun than you are with a handgun as well. It doesn't take near the skill that a handgun does.

My 12 gauge shotgun holds 4 in the magazine (with the plug removed) and one up the pipe. Reloads are fast, so 5 rounds at a time is plenty. :)
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Re: Calif. woman slain while calling 911
« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2008, 10:41:39 AM »
A long gun is lousy for close quarters. Peeking it around the corner simply provides warning well in advance of being able to be on target. It also provides a lever to remove the firearm from you.
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