Let the ****ing and moaning begin

[ghostdancer]

428 Pilots to be exact. 199 American in B25Cs, P39Ds, P40Bs, and F4F-4s and 229 Japanese  in A6M2s, B5N2s, and D3A1s.

Third frame is going to introduce a very limited number of Ki61s and P38s into the event. Also after some thought going to introduce a small number of JU88s to simulate Betties (which were used in the Aleutians).

[68falcon]

Well hello Arlo It's about time you tried this event

[Getback]

How many pilots for the frame? FSO is one helluva happening party, it sounds. I may hafta invest my Fridays (while I have them). And 50 minutes wasted a week? I "waste" more than that dying while typing text or doing doughnuts on the field with AH buddies nearby asking for more songs on vox from Elvis (aka me). At least I'm pretty sure the were asking for more. 

Yep, it's pretty much chaos and mayhem. You know, the reason you started playing AH. 

[Jappa52]

Here ya go...

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sheesh, you would post this... you werent looking at it from our side were you??  This is our second trip in and the third group of enemy encountered on that sortie.


This is NOT a whine btw, just saying I understand what he is feeling. We found Frame 2 to be very challenging and the 367th enjoyed the expericance.  Our escorts fought their hearts out but there was only so much they could do. <S>

[ghostdancer]

I have gone over the logs and orders. The allies attacking C76 just happened to run into a perfect storm. By this I mean the following:

• You had to deal the assigned defenders to C76
• C51 (the CV) was at  sunk 22:36:49, this resulted in the planes assigned to C51 shifting to C76 to rearm and refuel. Meaning that you had to deal with C51s cap fighters also plus the returning fighter escort of the strike conducted from C51.
• Then you had 12 B5N2s (31st Figther Group) also up their second lives (11 out of 12 were killed, 1 rtb and then upped later) at C76 between 22:42:26 and 22:42:43.

The allied attack seemed to come in around 22:46:49. So basically 10 minutes before C51 went down after a fight there. So some of its cap shifted to C76. Then the strike conducted out of C76 were killed and reupped at C76 at 4 minutes before the allied strike found C76. Plus you had the normally assigned defenders at C76.

As I said the perfect storm caught the allies at C76 but it was all do to game play and do to battlefield decisions. If the C51 planes had not shifted to C76 do to their CV being sunk you would have had less defenders. If they B5N2s out of C76 had survived their strike (1 did and landed at C76 at 22:53:53) they would have come in later after your strike or you would have caught them in the air as B5N2s.

[daddog]

Your way over due Arlo.

[Saxman]

To restate from a previous post and add on to ghostdancer's, during your second strike on the carrier further west (can't remember which TG off hand) your formation intruded on C76's dar circle before you all turned to the West for runs on the other carrier. This pulled the 76 defenders in to the fight as we didn't know yet you were going to be heading for the other CV until after the fight essentially already began (we'd just chased off/downed another NOE P-40 scout). So while we hit you from the rear, the defenders assigned to your ACTUAL target sandwiched you from the other direction.

[REP0MAN]

My wingman and I orbited about 5-8 miles NORTH of C-76 (within visual range of TF) in our NOE P40B's relaying position of the group and direction. We were going to head east and away but figured we would pull the CAP to the north and away from our incoming bomber group. This worked for a while as we kept about 8 of you busy for about 10 minutes or so. First two, then four then "Holy Crap!" Was a great fight for the few minutes it was 2 vs 2. Then we got ram-rodded.

[Saxman]

Was that at the beginning of the frame? If so that might have been VMF-251 Blue Flight you tangled with in the 2v2, as they were patrolling the northern part of the sector.

[Stampf]

It was RMrider (my son) and 10thmd, the two scouts dispached from the high cap to run the enemy scouts off.  Rider ended up with both scalps.  It was just the early sprinkle of the perfect storm.

[Stampf]

I will add this, as I was in Kommand of the defense of TG76.  Luck and battle field circumstance played into our victory there, particularly in the second hour, as Sax, points out, the second wavers found themselves engaged by two seperate defensive forces. TG76 and TG77 flights caught them in the middle. However the largest factor in our success was numbers and concentration of competant defenders.  All three units in the defensive flight, JG11, the 31st and 251st, arrived in full strength for the event.  I had 30 zero's at my disposal and only a single carrier group to defend.  It was nice.

Give me that assignment anytime. 

<S> 68th, for another excellant overall battle plan.

This event has been a slugfest, and a whole lot of fun.

[RATTFINK]

sheesh, you would post this... you werent looking at it from our side were you??  This is our second trip in and the third group of enemy encountered on that sortie.
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This is NOT a whine btw, just saying I understand what he is feeling. We found Frame 2 to be very challenging and the 367th enjoyed the expericance.  Our escorts fought their hearts out but there was only so much they could do. <S>

Yeah buddy and don't you forget it   Apparently not... I was Axis

The =FIGHTING-31=, VMF-251 & JG11 set up the perfect C.A.P. w/ 3 rings of kickass squads & I am pleased w/ the results. 

 

I have gone over the logs and orders. The allies attacking C76 just happened to run into a perfect storm. By this I mean the following:

• You had to deal the assigned defenders to C76
• C51 (the CV) was at  sunk 22:36:49, this resulted in the planes assigned to C51 shifting to C76 to rearm and refuel. Meaning that you had to deal with C51s cap fighters also plus the returning fighter escort of the strike conducted from C51.
• Then you had 12 B5N2s (31st Figther Group) also up their second lives (11 out of 12 were killed, 1 rtb and then upped later) at C76 between 22:42:26 and 22:42:43.

The allied attack seemed to come in around 22:46:49. So basically 10 minutes before C51 went down after a fight there. So some of its cap shifted to C76. Then the strike conducted out of C76 were killed and reupped at C76 at 4 minutes before the allied strike found C76. Plus you had the normally assigned defenders at C76.

As I said the perfect storm caught the allies at C76 but it was all do to game play and do to battlefield decisions. If the C51 planes had not shifted to C76 do to their CV being sunk you would have had less defenders. If they B5N2s out of C76 had survived their strike (1 did and landed at C76 at 22:53:53) they would have come in later after your strike or you would have caught them in the air as B5N2s.

Indeed!