If you thought that you knew what kind of company Walmart is

[Trell]

Are you really that foolish? The factories moved because the unions had artificially driven wages up beyond the natural scope of related job descriptions.  Without these inflated wages, there would have been no reason for the automakers to spend the money to move their factories. Unbelievable how obtuse your post was.

It’s the same reason Call Centers, Factories, Engineers and programmers moved overseas,

I Myself am looking forward to  Having Mexican truck drives Start driving in this country,  I think it would greatly reduce the cost of transporting goods.  Maybe then produce will come down in price.

[lasersailor184]

Correct Steve, they moved the manufacturing of their cars to foreign companies for cheaper labor. (greed)

Why? All they were concerned about was doing it "cheaper". They forgot that quality, and the fact that Americans like to buy American cars that are actually made by Americans, is one of the main things that the American car buyer is looking for.

Now for "obtuse" statements....... This little jewel is the best example on this thread


My statement, which you called "obtuse" is not a blanket statement, and is true.

Your statement is a knee-jerk, blanket statement, full of emotion and lacking truth. Not even the auto industry would agree with it.


You are loosely correct in that if the American auto industry only paid the American auto worker the same as say a Korean auto worker, they would find it much easier to compete. But please tell me how an American auto worker is going to support a family in America on $20.00 a day (or less)?

First off, Greed has made everything great in this world.  You're foolish to think otherwise.


Next, the Auto Workers Union did screw themselves.  They inflated the value of their wages to many times what their work was actually worth.  This caused the American car makers to lower the quality of their cars to compete with the Foreign imports. 

If (big if there), the American Auto Manufacturers were to throw the union agreements in the trash can and start anew, they'd be able to produce BETTER QUALITY CARS FOR LESS.  And that's before you even begin to consider any tariffs put on foreign cars.  That lower cost would lead to better research, better development, MORE PROFIT IN AMERICAN HANDS. 


But of course, asking a Liberal to understand economics is much like asking a monkey to understand long division.  You can put it in their face as much as you want, the monkey brain just won't get moving fast enough.

[SD67]

Laser you're 100% correct with your statement about reducing the wages allows for greater investment in a higher quality product.
The only sticking point is how long can the average American worker support his family on a reduced wage? I guess if the factories had brought in scores of illegal immigrants to do the work everything would have been OK?

[SteveBailey]

Correct Steve, they moved the manufacturing of their cars to foreign companies for cheaper labor. (greed)

Why? All they were concerned about was doing it "cheaper". They forgot that quality, and the fact that Americans like to buy American cars that are actually made by Americans, is one of the main things that the American car buyer is looking for.

Now for "obtuse" statements....... This little jewel is the best example on this thread


My statement, which you called "obtuse" is not a blanket statement, and is true.

Your statement is a knee-jerk, blanket statement, full of emotion and lacking truth. Not even the auto industry would agree with it.


You are loosely correct in that if the American auto industry only paid the American auto worker the same as say a Korean auto worker, they would find it much easier to compete. But please tell me how an American auto worker is going to support a family in America on $20.00 a day (or less)?

You are grossly misinformed if you think companies relocate entire facilities simply as a matter of greed.  With the unions driving up wages, US auto companies would not be able to compete... forget greed.  Stay with your little fantasy though, it probably gives you a nice warm fuzzy feeling inside to blame someone other than the unions.

[AWMac]

Dammmm just go to KMart and screw this thread.

Mac

[SteveBailey]

I guess if the factories had brought in scores of illegal immigrants to do the work everything would have been OK?

Nice try but bZzzzzzzzzt!..  The factory workers need to be paid what a factory worker is worth.  If they want to make more money, they should try things like... oh I dunno.... getting an education.
 It sounds nice to sympathize with the supposed  plight of the factory worker but the fact is that most of them made choices in their lives to become factory workers.  They shouldn't get artificially inflated wages.  These wages drive up the very prices of their products until they are no longer competitive, then these very same over paid laborers are soon out of jobs..... sound familiar?

[SD67]

mac
We don't have WalMarts here in Oz, but we do get Crazy Clarks, and The Warehouse.
Usually cheap and nasty stuff, but you occasionally find a good deal there.

[alskahawk]

Unions: a means to overpay an employee for what their actual value is, then force the union shop to raise prices on their goods and services.

 I agree with some of your stance on unions but the fact is that whether its Walmart or some other meglo conglomerate management does not treat employees fair. Look at most of our major corporations. CEO's making a hundred million dollars flying private jets(at company expense), taking no interest loans, and getting sweetheart deals. And the guy on the bottom is responsible for high prices because he wants a 50 cent raise?

 I have never been part of a union but I have seen how the worker is treated by corporate America. Business is the heart of America but there needs to be a balance.

[LePaul]

So if a company cuts costs, so that they remain profitable and available to their customers...that's greed?

Oh that's rich.

Glock, you really need to be careful about throwing all those rocks around in your glass house.  

[Gunslinger]

I agree with some of your stance on unions but the fact is that whether its Walmart or some other meglo conglomerate management does not treat employees fair. Look at most of our major corporations. CEO's making a hundred million dollars flying private jets(at company expense), taking no interest loans, and getting sweetheart deals. And the guy on the bottom is responsible for high prices because he wants a 50 cent raise?

 I have never been part of a union but I have seen how the worker is treated by corporate America. Business is the heart of America but there needs to be a balance.

50 cents is undercutting it.  Union chashiers in California get paid $20+ dollars an hour to scan groceries.

[LePaul]

I agree with some of your stance on unions but the fact is that whether its Walmart or some other meglo conglomerate management does not treat employees fair. Look at most of our major corporations. CEO's making a hundred million dollars flying private jets(at company expense), taking no interest loans, and getting sweetheart deals. And the guy on the bottom is responsible for high prices because he wants a 50 cent raise?

 I have never been part of a union but I have seen how the worker is treated by corporate America. Business is the heart of America but there needs to be a balance.

When I read your post, I immediately think of the airline employees of American Airlines.  They took large cuts in pay to help the airline get by.  When the profits started coming, who dove in first?  The CEOs and management.  Just appalling.  That to me is an example of a decent union always getting the screws put to them.

[Sled]

First off, Greed has made everything great in this world.  You're foolish to think otherwise.

Well, I was raised to believe that the way you archive things is just as important as whether or not you succeed in achieving them. Apparently you were not. Sorry to hear that.

I will never be a rich man, there are several reasons, but having a clear conscience is one of them.

But of course, asking a Liberal to understand economics is much like asking a monkey to understand long division.

Again is that a pixie or spoon?

For the record, I am old school democrat (Zell Miller type), or what some call a "Conservative Democrat". The way the democratic party was before the "liberal" movement. I am a NRA member, Pro-life, believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. I Believe in responsible use of our resources (logging, fishing, motorized recreation, etc), I have a large collection of assault weapons, A 130hp 2 stroke snowmachine, and a RAM 4x4 with a Hemi. I believe there should be prayer in schools, and when I say the pledge, I use the word "God".

Now with all of that said, I also believe that the American worker has the right to organize and negotiate a contract with it's employer.



So, If you think I am a liberal because I believe in the golden rule, Then I am proud to be one (in your book).

[SD67]

Golden rule = He who has the Gold makes the rules?

[alskahawk]

 Le Paul, I almost mentioned the Airlines. CEOs making a hundred million a year and they had the nerve to go to congress for a bail out.

[Sled]

When I read your post, I immediately think of the airline employees of American Airlines.  They took large cuts in pay to help the airline get by.  When the profits started coming, who dove in first?  The CEOs and management.  Just appalling.  That to me is an example of a decent union always getting the screws put to them.

A fine example, and proof that not all unions "are bad". Just like not all corporations are bad.