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Offline Darkish

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Intelligent Design?
« on: March 27, 2008, 05:31:52 PM »
Tonight I found out that my father needs ear sugery. Apparently the small bones of his inner ear are disintergrating/disintergrated.

Turns out there's a nerve, a main nerve that runs through this place. Is a 20% chance sugery could paralayse one side of his body.

Who would design such a bs nerve roadmap?

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Re: Intelligent Design?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2008, 05:36:53 PM »
We were all designed to suffer, learn, then die.

P.S.  I do, however, hope your father does well.
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Re: Intelligent Design?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2008, 05:42:37 PM »
Well,
 I hope thing go well for him.
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Re: Intelligent Design?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2008, 05:43:23 PM »
Sorry to hear of your woes. Hope all turns out for the best.
Remember it can always be worse.


Consider this

They say bad news comes in 3's

1- My sister had a non cancerous brain tumor removed 5 years ago
It came back and she has to have it removed again.

2- My brother in law is currently in the hospital on a ventlator with Legionnaires' disease.
Its a coinflip if he's going to make it. IMO based on his condition and what I've been able to find out about it. I'd say it doesnt look in his favor.

3- 2 Days ago my mother in law (same brother in laws mother) was told she has bladder cancer.

Lifes been pretty interesting around here lately too.
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Re: Intelligent Design?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2008, 06:16:51 PM »
Tonight I found out that my father needs ear sugery. Apparently the small bones of his inner ear are disintergrating/disintergrated.

Turns out there's a nerve, a main nerve that runs through this place. Is a 20% chance sugery could paralayse one side of his body.

Who would design such a bs nerve roadmap?

Maybe surgery in that place was not part of the design.  Therefore the nerve road map would not be "bs".

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Re: Intelligent Design?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2008, 07:22:56 PM »
My daughter had a piece of scar tissue, from a illness in her childhood, develop around one of those transmitter bones in the middle ear.
She went through two surgeries as the surgeon first removed the part of the affected bone and attached a small prosthesis to act as the
transmitter to the audio nerve, then another surgery to go in and make sure no more tissue had formed in the middle ear.  We were told early on about
that nerve running right through the middle ear but our doctor put the odds of a harmful disfiguring mistake at about 5%.

My daughter is fine and has full hearing.

As far as intelligent design, the doctor that performed the surgery was exceptionally intelligent  :cool:
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Offline Darkish

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Re: Intelligent Design?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2008, 07:59:20 PM »
Sounds v similar to what my pa is facing. Am just putting a point out there that if you were to design humans you wouldn't want to run vital nerve route right through something that is 1cm from the rest of the universe.

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Re: Intelligent Design?
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2008, 08:29:37 PM »
Sounds v similar to what my pa is facing. Am just putting a point out there that if you were to design humans you wouldn't want to run vital nerve route right through something that is 1cm from the rest of the universe.


What nerve is this again?

Offline lasersailor184

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Re: Intelligent Design?
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2008, 10:30:59 PM »
Darwinism in action.  Or perhaps it's god's wrath upon the stupid.


Risk paralysis so you can hear out of both ears...

You risked paralysis over partial deafness.

1/20 Operations would have paralyzed the patient, yet you felt a full range of hearing was more important.




Sorry for repeating it 3 times.  Its just that sometimes I can't comprehend the stupidity in people.  Perhaps it is what god intended.
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Re: Intelligent Design?
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2008, 10:56:55 PM »
Why is anyone suprised that there are design "features" present in the universe that are perverse or insane in nature?

A number of religions state that man was made in God's image.  Mankind is largely petty, jealous, and completely self-centered to the point where it takes unusually competent parenting to generate a person who does not exhibit strong anti-social traits.

God didn't (apparently) have any parents at all.

So should it suprise anyone who believes in God that the universe was created by a particularly capable sadist, complete with dirty tricks being played on it's inhabitants?
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Re: Intelligent Design?
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2008, 11:06:54 PM »
Hope your father does well.
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Offline Hornet33

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Re: Intelligent Design?
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2008, 06:07:50 AM »
Who would design such a bs nerve roadmap?

The same person that thought it would be funny to put a recreational area right next to the waste treatment facility :rofl
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Re: Intelligent Design?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2008, 07:42:58 AM »
The complicated course of the facial nerve is due to it's evolution and embryological development. About 450 million years ago the anterior gill arches of some aquatic vertebrates evolved into jaws and supporting structure. Three of these jaw bones would later evolve into the the 3 middle ear bones that are causing your father's problem.

These structures are all derived from a structure called the 2nd branchial arch in the embryo. Structures that arise together in the embryo are supplied by the same nerve. As those structures become separated during development, the associated nerve follows. Branchial arch 2 also gives rise to the muscles of facial expression -- all the small muscles of the face that blink the eyelids, smile, frown, etc. As these muscles spread out during embryological develop, the facial nerve follows. This results in a complex course of the nerve, including through the middle ear.

That's how evolution works. It doesn't create an optimal design for each species out of nothing. Rather it modifies current parts over time.

By the way, the same thing happens with a nerve called the recurrent laryngeal nerve. This nerve starts in the brain, travels down the neck to the chest, loops around a main artery and then travels back up the neck to the larynx (voice box). This is related to the evolution of the laryngeal muscles, which fish -- not being air breathers -- don't have.
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