The f4f ENY value

[TonyJoey]

   The f4f ENY value is currently 20. The 109 K-4 also has an ENY value of 20. Now take this into cosideration: If the K-4 and a f4f went 1v1 same alt, co-E who would win? I know that the f4f pilot can evade the 109 evertime he dives on him (Givin' that the K-4 will obtain an altitude advantage very easily at the merge, unless a total noob is flying the 109), but sooner or later the 109 will get a shot on the f4f or run out of ammo and escape with ease (on account of the huge speed difference between the 2 aircraft), giving the f4f absolutely no chance to kill the 109, even though he might obtain 1 very quick snapshot on the 109, but if the 109 pilot has any skill there's no way he will let him get the shot. The 109 K-4 is by no stretch of the imagination even to an f4f, meaning that the ENY value should not be the same. Please hear me out on this. I believe that the f4f's ENY value should be changed to atleast 30 (a 38g also has an ENY of 30 and can beat an f4f if flown correctly, but this would be a much more even fight than a K-4 vs, a f4f), and the Fm2's ENY value should be changed to around 22-25 because of the option of WEP, but is still no where near as good as a K-4. I hope HTC will hear me out on this and change this.

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[EskimoJoe]

The better pilot will always cream you, even if you're in a 109K4 and he's in a Spit 1.

[Banshee7]

i think the F4F should stay 20, FM2 changed to 15, and Hellkity changed to 10

[ShrkBite]

 

[TonyJoey]

The better pilot will always cream you, even if you're in a 109K4 and he's in a Spit 1.

The better pilot won't always win. If i dueled TwinBoom (who pwns me) i would not lose because i could always run and there's nothing he can do about that in an F4f

i think the F4F should stay 20, FM2 changed to 15, and Hellkity changed to 10

 
So banshee you're saying that a 109 K-4 is as good as an F4f, a KI-84 is as good as an Fm2, and that a F6f is as good as a spit8 or a typh which i kinda believe is true bat should stay 15.

[Anaxogoras]

The better pilot will always cream you, even if you're in a 109K4 and he's in a Spit 1.

That's an invalid generalization.  A good pilot can beat a weak one in a better aircraft up to a certain point... try to win a co-alt engagement with an aircraft that is slower, turns worse, rolls worse, climbs worse, etc.  If these differences are small then the advantage is still with the better pilot, but make the differences great and the tables turn.

[moot]

The better pilot won't always win. If i dueled TwinBoom (who pwns me) i would not lose because i could always run and there's nothing he can do about that in an F4f

In which case TwinBoom has won by your forfeit.

[Sketch]

In which case TwinBoom has won by your forfeit.

[Gowan]

there is some validity to the better pilot vs. avg joe in better plane,  i actually just yesterday got my arse handed to me by a hurri1 when i was in a ki-84, and the 84 basically is better in every aspect

[TonyJoey]

Guys I know that the better pilot will usually win. However these two planes are nowhere near an equal fight, so the ENY should not be the same. Ok lets say i killed a 262 in a K-4, and then killed a 262 in an F4F. Now from which plane's 262 kill SHOULD I get more perkies for.

In which case TwinBoom has won by your forfeit.

 

[evenhaim]

f4f has:
6 50's= more ammo, better long range hitting power.
Smaller turn radius.
Can out-dive a k4 in terms of compression.

and many other little quirks that make it a viable match up for the k4.

[Bronk]

f4f has:
6 50's= more ammo, better long range hitting power.
Smaller turn radius.
Can out-dive a k4 in terms of compression.

and many other little quirks that make it a viable match up for the k4.

You are kidding right?
2 equal pilots and the K4 will utterly dominate the fight. He will choose the time to engage and will be able to disengage almost at will.
They are far from equal.

[Anaxogoras]

You are kidding right?
2 equal pilots and the K4 will utterly dominate the fight. He will choose the time to engage and will be able to disengage almost at will.
They are far from equal.

I have to agree.  As someone who frequently flys the K4, F4F's are just not a threat unless you are low and slow, and the wildcat comes in with boatloads of e.

[BaldEagl]

You have a good point.  The 109K-4 is a dominating aircraft.  The F4F-4 is not.

I always thought the K-4 was ENY 5... guess not huh?

[TonyJoey]

 

You are kidding right?
2 equal pilots and the K4 will utterly dominate the fight. He will choose the time to engage and will be able to disengage almost at will.
They are far from equal.

TY Bronk the point i've been trying to get through. If the pilots are the same the 109 K-4 will absolutely dominate a f4f, which means the ENY should NOT be the same.