The f4f ENY value

[TonyJoey]

Oh and 1 more thing "Bronk"  (for killing me with your fm2)

[evenhaim]

Bronk the key word being a fight, not bnz to death. Id be glad to roll an f4f against you in a k4 then we can know first hand?

Cheers,
freez

[TonyJoey]

Still freez do you think that a F4f is equal to a K-4? This question has nothing to do with the pilot. If the pilots were the same, who would win a K-4 vs. F4f duel? And yes the K-4 could BnZ him to death if he earned the altitude advantage which is very easy to obtain.

[evenhaim]

Still freez do you think that a F4f is equal to a K-4? This question has nothing to do with the pilot. If the pilots were the same, who would win a K-4 vs. F4f duel? And yes the K-4 could BnZ him to death if he earned the altitude advantage which is very easy to obtain.

no just saying it can go either way, if the k4 tries to turn with the f4f its gonna die, and the k4 controls the energy fight... in any case eny isn't calculated 100% on the aircrafts ability, it goes by usage levels IIRC, so saying one is better than the other is pointless.

[TonyJoey]

no just saying it can go either way, if the k4 tries to turn with the f4f its gonna die, and the k4 controls the energy fight... in any case eny isn't calculated 100% on the aircrafts ability, it goes by usage levels IIRC, so saying one is better than the other is pointless.

Well yes the K-4 is better than the F4f, and MUCH, MUCH less people fly the F4f than the 109 K-4, which is another reason why people should get more perks for landing kills in it. And in other words it means that the F4f should have a higher ENY than the 109 K-4.

[Bronk]

Bronk the key word being a fight, not bnz to death. Id be glad to roll an f4f against you in a k4 then we can know first hand?

Cheers,
freez

Try it with widewing and let me know how that goes.

Edit:
Scratch that. I'll tell you how it will go. He'll burn your E off then dance on your head till you can evade.

A fight is not just turn or BnZ it's the ability to switch to either.

[evenhaim]

Try it with widewing and let me know how that goes.

Will do.

[Bronk]

Oh and 1 more thing "Bronk"  (for killing me with your fm2)

~S~

[TonyJoey]

Ok let's stay on topic . Who thinks that the f4f's ENY should go up to at least 25 if not higher.  Oh and S! to Bronk!

[Banshee7]

F4F eny = 25
Fm2 eny = 20
F6F eny = 15 (really should be 10)

Now that i read more in depth i do believe the F4F ENY should be raised.  Seeing that the FM2 was an improved version..shouldn't that make it a better aircraft?

109K4 eny = 15/10

[TonyJoey]

EXACTLY BANSHEE!

[Ack-Ack]

Bronk the key word being a fight, not bnz to death. Id be glad to roll an f4f against you in a k4 then we can know first hand?

Cheers,
freez

Ouch...seems like someone's ego got a little tweaked somehow. 

But Bronk is correct, the K4 utterly dominates the F4F and can engage and disengage from the fight at will and there is nothing the Wildcat can do.  The only thing you can do is try and avoid the repeated slash attacks and hope to get off a snap shot on an over shoot but if the K4 driver is any good, he'll break after his slash attack to deny you the overshoot reversal shot.

A good similiar comparison is the Zeke and P-38. 


ack-ack

[Bronk]

Ouch...seems like someone's ego got a little tweaked somehow. 

But Bronk is correct, the K4 utterly dominates the F4F and can engage and disengage from the fight at will and there is nothing the Wildcat can do.  The only thing you can do is try and avoid the repeated slash attacks and hope to get off a snap shot on an over shoot but if the K4 driver is any good, he'll break after his slash attack to deny you the overshoot reversal shot.

A good similiar comparison is the Zeke and P-38. 


ack-ack

Aye and don't forget, while that 30mm hub is a pain to aim. Just one hit is enough to end the fight.

[TonyJoey]

Which are all very good resons backing up my theory that the wild cat needs a higher ENY.

[Ghosth]

I'd have to say the problem lies NOT in the ENY of the F4f, but rather where the 109K4 is rated.
I'd have no problem seeing that lowered to a more realistic setting.