Abstinence only teaching less effective at preventing sex than comprehensive

[lazs2]

Mt.. Ok.. I will concede that I said getting pregnant..   

I meant that 80% of the births were illigitimate.. that is compared to less than 2% in the 50's   The trend is still pretty darn clear.

having a baby out of wedlock does not say to me that your sex education is working out well.

lazs

[Chairboy]

You seem to have gotten a little lost, here's your original claim that has been well refuted:

Now that we have sex education by the indocrtrinization centers...  we only have about 80% of the girls getting pregnant and only 1 in four with STD's.

lazs

I provided data that showed your claim that 80% of the girls are getting pregnant and the underlying assumption that more teens were pregnant these days was wildly inaccurate.

EDIT: Aw nuts, you already conceded it while I was posting.  Never mind.

[Chairboy]

In response to your new argument, I'd argue that out of wedlock births reflects more on societal acceptance versus basic nuts & bolts knowledge of how sex works, and sex ed is the latter, not the former.

[SD67]

Back in the 50's and even the early 60's they would have never hit the stats. They would have been ill and suddenly appeared with a new cousin or sister, or if over 16yrsof age married in the time honoured shotgun ceremony to their overeager Mr "I just want to put it in for a minute"

[lazs2]

Ok chair..  if 80% of the births are illigitimate..  wouldn't you say that someone made a mistake? 

I can see your point that it argues to acceptance or..  lack of shame to be more accurate.. but.. doesn't that speak to the issue?  how good is sex education that ends up having 80% of it's students who get pregnant be a mistake?   you are not seriously saying that the births were planned are you?

lazs

[lazs2]

sd.. that may or may not be true but these are the best numbers we have.

lazs

[SD67]

The other side of the coin is:
There has been no real change in the number of teenage pregnancies, just a shift in the way they have been handled. The left wing "let us do everything for you and it will all be good" crowd are sensationalising the statistics because our society has become less offended by the notion of children being born out of wedlock.

[MORAY37]

This should be obvious to everyone by looking at history...

Now that we have sex education by the indocrtrinization centers...  we only have about 80% of the girls getting pregnant and only 1 in four with STD's.



lazs

Your exact words.  Quoted.  And debunked.


Steer on, Capt. Dumas!

[MORAY37]

Ok chair..  if 80% of the births are illigitimate..  wouldn't you say that someone made a mistake? 

I can see your point that it argues to acceptance or..  lack of shame to be more accurate.. but.. doesn't that speak to the issue?  how good is sex education that ends up having 80% of it's students who get pregnant be a mistake?   you are not seriously saying that the births were planned are you?

lazs

Hey Lazs... your comprehension skills need to be sharpened.

The link you posted was that 80% of teens who got knocked up were knocked up out of wedlock.  Pretty standard comprehension skills there, gramps.  Makes sense when you figure most 15-17 year olds don't get married at that age.  And the ones that do had shotgun weddings in the 8th month....

It did not, as you claim, say that 80% of girls 15-17 got pregnant...

Again... critical thinking.

P.S.  "Negro" is no longer acceptable in modern society. No more than slangs intended for uses with other races.  It is sad that older folks such as yourself still don't realize this.  Please stop referring to blacks as "negros".

[Chairboy]

He does it to push buttons, ignore it.  He can say what he likes, it reflects more on him than anyone else.

[Holden McGroin]

P.S.  "Negro" is no longer acceptable in modern society. No more than slangs intended for uses with other races.  It is sad that older folks such as yourself still don't realize this.  Please stop referring to blacks as "negros".

What is the United Negro College Fund's position on this?

[myelo]

What is the United Negro College Fund's position on this?

They also think Lazs is wrong.

[Scatcat]

Gosh durn libruls and their gosh durn numbers!

Here are the reported stats in the abstract of the article.  I wasn’t going to pay for the PDF for all the results.
Adolescents who received comprehensive sex education were significantly less likely to report teen pregnancy (ORadj = .4, 95% CI = .22– .69, p = .001) than those who received no formal sex education, whereas there was no significant effect of abstinence-only education (ORadj = .7, 95% CI = .38–1.45, p = .38). Abstinence-only education did not reduce the likelihood of engaging in vaginal intercourse (ORadj = .8, 95% CI = .51–1.31, p = .40), but comprehensive sex education was marginally associated with a lower likelihood of reporting having engaged in vaginal intercourse (ORadj = .7, 95% CI = .49–1.02, p = .06). Neither abstinence-only nor comprehensive sex education significantly reduced the likelihood of reported STD diagnoses (ORadj = 1.7, 95% CI = .57–34.76, p = .36 and ORadj = 1.8, 95% CI = .67–5.00, p = .24 respectively).  Kohler, P., (2008).  Abstinence-Only and Comprehensive Sex Education and the Initiation of Sexual Activity and Teen Pregnancy.  Journal of Adolescent Health, vol 42, 4, 344-351.

The only reported OR that was statistically significant and compelling was the first one that adolescents who got comprehensive sex ed were less likely to report pregnancy at a p value of .001 and an OR of .4.  The rest of the reported ‘results’ is gobblygook and un-interpretable.  No one should be interpreting the abstinence-only ed not reducing the likelihood of vaginal intercourse with an OR of .8 and a p value of .4 as ‘significant’ or compelling.  I’m not impressed with the study one way or the other just looking at the abstract data.

[Mini D]

I thought the article was funny scatcat. I particularly like the way they turn on and off the statistical insignificance switch. Quite a few people seem to be so chalked full of rhetoric they didn't seem to notice.

[Larry]

My parents style worked.
They said "do whatever you want, but if you get some girl pregnant we ain't paying for S***"

and, AFAIK, I never got anyone pregnant.

That or "The day you get get a girl knocked up is the day you move out."