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Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« on: April 03, 2008, 05:22:18 PM »
Thank you very much for addressing this. I'm sure that I'm speaking for everyone when I say that HTC once again shows why they are the best in the business.

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Re: Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2008, 05:24:45 PM »
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Re: Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2008, 07:02:41 PM »
WW did you have a chance to compare the FM-2 flaps ?
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Re: Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2008, 07:09:08 PM »
...and they have increased the 37mm lethality. BOOM. ;)
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Re: Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:00 PM »
HTC staff i love you.  :salute

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Make the 37mm's blow up after 3 seconds (like they did in Real life), do this and ill highly consider having a child in your name.
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Re: Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:41 PM »
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Re: Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2008, 08:22:44 PM »
HTC staff i love you.  :salute

D-2 D-2 D-2!!

Make the 37mm's blow up after 3 seconds (like they did in Real life), do this and ill highly consider having a child in your name.
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Re: Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2008, 08:34:03 PM »
WW did you have a chance to compare the FM-2 flaps ?

I did... Didn't seem to have excessive drag with full flaps. It did require a slightly greater dive angle than the P-40, and roughly the same as the P-39Q. However, the FM-2 has a much greater flat plate area, so that would be expected in a shallow power-off dive.

Here's the comparison data.

Drag Coefficient:

P-39: .0217
P-40: .0242
FM-2: .0253

Let's look at wing area:

P-39: 213.2 sq/ft
P-49: 236.0 sq/ft
FM-2: 260.0 sq/ft

Let's look at flat plate area:

P-39: 4.63 sq/ft
P-40: 5.71 sq/ft
FM-2: 6.58 sq/ft


Let's examine the flaps of the two fighters. I'll provide flap area and full down angle. All use simple split flaps.

P-39: 26.2 sq/ft @ 43 degrees
P-40: 33.1 sq/ft @ 45 degrees
FM-2: 27.7 sq/ft @ 43 degrees

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Re: Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2008, 08:45:42 PM »

Make the 37mm's blow up after 3 seconds (like they did in Real life), do this and ill highly consider having a child in your name.

The Oldsmobile cannon might have been a POS because it frequently jammed but I don't think blowing up was a common problem, if one at all.


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Re: Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2008, 09:28:20 PM »
I had an oldsmobile that once blew up, but it wasn't a cannon.
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Re: Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2008, 10:40:48 PM »
LOL!  :rofl


No guys, you mis understand me.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,232233.0.html

That has alot of the info, but the link there also shows where i got the data so.
Not the gun blowing up, the round has a fuse when the tracer reaches the end of the burnout phase, it shoots a object into a second detonation cap, and the round blows up, not..the gun.  :aok


Sorry for the confusion & highjack, as i too am woundering what these flap changes are.
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Re: Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2008, 04:06:58 AM »
The P-39 flaps will be adjusted in the next patch?

Also, what caused them to notice that the flaps needed to be tweaked (i.e., what did they look at to determine that)?

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Re: Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2008, 04:33:45 AM »
Thank moot, exactly what i needed.  :salute

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"The 39's flaps create to much drag and not enough lift" got'cha.
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Re: Pyro: Adjusted lift and drag attributes of the P-39 flaps
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2008, 08:44:37 AM »
The P-39 flaps will be adjusted in the next patch?

Also, what caused them to notice that the flaps needed to be tweaked (i.e., what did they look at to determine that)?

Extensive flight testing revealed that the flaps generated little lift and a tremendous amount of drag. When compared to the very similar flaps of the P-40 (using the same basic powerplant), the drag properties were obviously much greater in the P-39 as well as significantly less lift.

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