Carriers

[angelsandair]

Well, I'm sure this has been posted before, but hey, I may as well ask.

We should have like Japanese Carriers and British Carriers. They are basically the same, they up the same planes, but they need to have different armaments and it would be alot more Historically accurate for AvA and other things. I would ask for a German carrier but I am pretty sure they did'nt have one.

I think it would be a great addition to the game and it would give HTC a bit of fun when it comes to remodelling.

Just for example, the Japanese Carrier has alot more 5'' or just more guns in general, it should take less bombs to kill it. BUT lets say the British Carrier has the least armament, we could make it harder to kill and it's guns harder to kill. That way everything is balanced out to this sort of thing. Ports would just randomly spawn them or certain ports would spawn only certain types of carriers.   

[1sum41]

that would be pretty cool 

[AirFlyer]

Always wanted a Japanese Carrier in this game. Just doesn't feel right flying my Zero off an American Carrier.

[SD67]

Yes, it would be nice to have some variety when it comes to maritime assets. The problem comes as to how this difference can be utilised in a balanced way in the Main Arenas. Different countries carriers had different strengths, unless they were distributed initially in an even manner then it could be unbalancing.

[DPQ5]

american carriers are coolist

have the most guns and 2cd best armor




can kill jap cv with around 2 or 1 500lbers

[AirFlyer]

american carriers are coolist

have the most guns and 2cd best armor

can kill jap cv with around 2 or 1 500lbers

Not exactly sure where you getting your facts from, either way...

It depends on what year your talking about, 1944 - 1945, yes the U.S. was undoubtedly the strongest Navy in the world. 1939 -1942, the same could be said about the IJN.

[Karnak]

Why do you people think Japanese carriers were any more vulnerable than US carriers?  They actually had excellent damage control as well.  At Midway we hit them at the perfect moment, a time when no carrier would survive, when their aircraft were all fueled and armed and on the deck.  The only carrier I know of that "survived" that was the Franklin, and the order to abandon her was given more than once.  She also never fought again.  Shinano had an untrained, undermanned crew with her watertight doors opened.  She was not inherently vulnerable.

I forget her name, but the Japanese had a fleet carrier we claimed as sunk three times before we actually got her.

[DaddyAck]

I would ask for a German carrier but I am pretty sure they did'nt have one.

KMS.Graf Zeppelin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_aircraft_carrier_Graf_Zeppelin



There were supposed to be Bf.109T and JU.87C to be on board.  Instead she was scuttled as the Red army advanced and subsequently re-floated and brought back to Russia and untimately sunken by the Russian surface fleet as a naval target ship.

[Saxman]

Karnak,

I think I remember hearing/reading somewhere that the Japanese having fuel and bombs stacked all over the flight decks at Midway may be at the very least exaggerated.

Also, I don't recall the Franklin having been caught in that situation, either, but rather she just got pounded by repeated bomb and kamikazee strikes.

[cowboy03]

also interesting to note, some Japanese carriers had deck guns just below the flight deck and hangers. for ship to ship action!!!

[DPQ5]

Why do you people think Japanese carriers were any more vulnerable than US carriers?  They actually had excellent damage control as well.  At Midway we hit them at the perfect moment, a time when no carrier would survive, when their aircraft were all fueled and armed and on the deck.  The only carrier I know of that "survived" that was the Franklin, and the order to abandon her was given more than once.  She also never fought again.  Shinano had an untrained, undermanned crew with her watertight doors opened.  She was not inherently vulnerable.

I forget her name, but the Japanese had a fleet carrier we claimed as sunk three times before we actually got her.

true true but the jap cvs had some desighn flaus that made it more vonrable to damadge

[Karnak]

Karnak,

I think I remember hearing/reading somewhere that the Japanese having fuel and bombs stacked all over the flight decks at Midway may be at the very least exaggerated.

Also, I don't recall the Franklin having been caught in that situation, either, but rather she just got pounded by repeated bomb and kamikazee strikes.

Franklin was hit by one aircraft while her aircraft were on the deck, fueled and ready to go.  And it wasn't that the Japanese had fuel and bombs stacked on the flight deck, they didn't.  The fuel was in the tanks of the aircraft and the bombs/torps were attached to the bellies of the aircraft.

[angelsandair]

Well I guess we have a German Carrier then. But, we could evenly distribute the carriers in the game. And if we were to make them up only thier countries planes, then we would have to have a larger carrier set. But personally I dont really mind. It just kind of hit me as a good idea. And I dont think it would be "cool" or "awesome". Its just something fun for HTC to work on, and could open up new possibilities for the AvA scenarios, SEA events. And could be used to take advantage of the possibilities, and the disadvantages of it. Course, we could add a whole new line of things. Of course, there is always the really really dweebish request, but this could be the excuse to bring in the battleship. But instead of a carrier group with a battleship, you have just a Battleship group guarded by destroyers. But I doubt the battleship part will happen. Too many possibilities that are good OR bad.

[RRAM]

Why do you people think Japanese carriers were any more vulnerable than US carriers?  They actually had excellent damage control as well.  At Midway we hit them at the perfect moment, a time when no carrier would survive, when their aircraft were all fueled and armed and on the deck.  The only carrier I know of that "survived" that was the Franklin, and the order to abandon her was given more than once.  She also never fought again.  Shinano had an untrained, undermanned crew with her watertight doors opened.  She was not inherently vulnerable.

I forget her name, but the Japanese had a fleet carrier we claimed as sunk three times before we actually got her.

Karnak.

While I agree that Japanese CVs did had decent equipment for dealing with battle damage, and that Midway isn't a good example because of the very particular conditions on the japanese CVs at the time they were hit, damage control itself was terrible. To say the least. Please read the following account about the Taiho sinking:


As aircraft lifted off from Ozawa's flagship Taiho to attack Mitscher's forces off to the East, Cmdr. James W. Blanchard tracked the new 33,000-ton Japanese warship through the periscope of USS Albacore.

After Taiho completed launching the last of her aircraft just after 0900, Albacore fired a spread of six torpedoes from the carrier's starboard beam. An airborne Japanese pilot spotted one of the incoming torpedoes and performed a heroic act by crashing his aircraft ahead of the torpedo's track. Whether he stopped the torpedo is speculative. What is not is that one of Albacore's, torpedoes found its mark, slamming into the carrier's starboard side near the forward gasoline tanks.
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Meanwhile on Taiho, a damage control officer turned on blowers to dissipate explosive fumes being given off by the gasoline and fuel oil. But instead of dissipating them, he spread fumes throughout the ship. At 1532, an enormous blast lifted the armored flight deck off the cross-frames, blew out the hanger deck bulkheads, punched holes in the bottom and instantly killed everyone in the engineering spaces. Less than a quarter of the crew of 2,150 sailors could be saved. Among those rescued was Ozawa.


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3738/is_200407/ai_n9458656


What's described there is the loss of the best Japanese carrier of WWII due to catastrophic damage control activities. They blewed it bigtime, in fact I think it's one of the worse instances of what NOT TO DO aboard a carrier with combustible leaks. The DC parties bassically turned a ship with a minor and local problem such as a leak in the combustible tanks ,into a big Air-Gas bomb.

The results were spectacular...if terrible. According to those who could see it, bassically the whole ship erupted like a volcano.


This example points out that japanese damage control parties weren't exactly the best in the world. And it isn't the only one instance of DC parties taking very bad decisions...

[Larry]

I didnt know we had damage control personal in AHII.



I think it would be great to have japanese, british, and even german fleets. Maybe when we get different ToDs.