Wirble-perk?

[Oleg]

It's not tough to disable
It's not faster than any other veh in the game
It has very limited range
It can't fly away from danger like an A/C can

So what exactly is the reason why people would want it perked??

disabled != killed, he still can land or repair.
speed isnt significant advantage for GV, especially AA.
effective range same as osti if not better, unless you are very good with osti.
its not supposed to, its AA ofter all.

Main reason to perk WW is: it much more effective as AA than both osti or m16. WW score 90% all AA-gvs kills, means its not just overused but almost only AA vehicle in use.

[BnZ]

Use is a poor standard for perking anything.

The most used plane in the game is the P-51D. Good, but far from the best.

 If they ever fix the Osti views, and if players have a lick of sense, there will be a return to the Osti. The WW is helpless to stop any non NOE buff formation before it releases its eggs. The Osti at least stands a gambler's chance.

[Oleg]

Use is a poor standard for perking anything.
The most used plane in the game is the P-51D. Good, but far from the best.

Bad example. P-51D have 7%, next 2 or 3 planes - 6%. Look at F4U-1C or Firefly better.

[Larry]

Main reason to perk WW is: it much more effective as AA than both osti or m16. WW score 90% all AA-gvs kills, means its not just overused but almost only AA vehicle in use.

Its more effective at short range. The osti can kill from out of icon range while the range of the WW is just over 1.7k. Try a sortie or two in the new osti and you'll see WHY no one is driving it. Another reason why the WW is being "overused" is because it was put in the game, oh, two weeks ago.

[Oleg]

Its more effective at short range. The osti can kill from out of icon range while the range of the WW is just over 1.7k.

Can. But nobody exept very few ppl will.

Try a sortie or two in the new osti and you'll see WHY no one is driving it. Another reason why the WW is being "overused" is because it was put in the game, oh, two weeks ago.

Wonder why P-39 havnt 90% of kills 
Stop lie to yourself.

[Larry]

Can. But nobody exept very few ppl will.

Wonder why P-39 havnt 90% of kills 
Stop lie to yourself.

Few people. 

Um lets see why the P39 hasent got 90% of the kills. Oh thats right because there are more then TWO other fighers. Stop trying to vulch a field and you wont get killed by one. Like I said roll an osti and see why everyone is driving the WW instead.

The wirbel is the olny good AA tank we have. Why not look at the stats for the last few months, huh?

March
3,468.......M16
18,930.....Osti
27,040.....Wirbel


February
6,476.......M16
38,210.....Osti


January
5,848.......M16
33,759.....Osti


Maybe when the osti is fixed we will see more kills, but the wirbel is the best thing to kill fighters in now. People are going to just have to fly smart now or end up in the tower.

[Oleg]

Few people. 

And how many of these osti's kill was "out of icon range"? Especially fighters kills.
Try to read my previous post again.

March
3,468.......M16
18,930.....Osti
27,040.....Wirbel

February
6,476.......M16
38,210.....Osti

January
5,848.......M16
33,759.....Osti

And what i supposed to see here? btw, ~17000 osties kills in march was scored before WW released.

[Larry]

Look at all those osti kills. I wonder why people havent been whining about perking it. Thing is that the osti isnt the best AA tank anymore. If you think the WW needs to be perked then you need to stop trying to vulch fields with a VH up.


Just because you arent any good in an osti doesnt mean that others can kill you befor you have a shot. With a wirbel if you cant get a bomb off out of its range you need TA time. So oleg cry all you want because theres a real good chance its not ganna happen.

[Oleg]

Look at all those osti kills. I wonder why people havent been whining about perking it.

Because it have significant disadvantade - hard to hit with 37 cannon. This is quite obviously cause it cannt stop vulching usually.

If you think the WW needs to be perked then you need to stop trying to vulch fields with a VH up.

Next time you want to say something stupid, try http://www.hitechcreations.com/frameset1.html?/scores/mainscores.html it not so hard.

So oleg cry all you want because theres a real good chance its not ganna happen.

Your cries arent any better, and whatever HTC will decide they hardly will ask you or me.

[Larry]

Because it have significant disadvantade - hard to hit with 37 cannon. This is quite obviously cause it cannt stop vulching usually.

Next time you want to say something stupid, try http://www.hitechcreations.com/frameset1.html?/scores/mainscores.html it not so hard.

Your cries arent any better, and whatever HTC will decide they hardly will ask you or me.

An old osti can stop a vulch just as easy.
Try the score page?
Stop crying about it and bring a bomb next time.


My cries? I dont think so. I have no problem killing a wirbel and the only time I die to one is when I try to HO one.

[Oleg]

My cries? I dont think so.

Sure you do.

Osti will get old view back (see future patch notes), so if it was so effective as you claim you dont need free WW to stop vulchers. btw, I dont expect any significant changes in kills percents after new patch.

[Xasthur]

Once the osti gets its views back I'll be back in that over the WW.

I'm rubbish in the WW.

The WW is no threat to those who aren't actively trying to attack one.

IF you fly smart they won't touch you. If you get lazy.. you're dead. That's all there is to it.

[BnZ]

Does anyone REALLY want the WW so people will use the Osti more? I doubt it.

I think people want it perked because it forces the air war up into the actual sky instead of between the trees (if you want to live), gives GV convoys a slim chance to survive air attack, eliminates the silly idea of simply flying around low strafing GVs instead of bombing them, keeps the runways open and at least lets the defending planes get gear-up, giving base defenders a chance  when a full DAR suddenly appears in the sector. (Has probably greatly reduced the effectivness of NOE base-grabbing, which was always over-used.)

I will repeat: The WW has no defense against level bombers with even a smidgeon of altitude, the Osti is only a little better in this regard. An accurate dive-bomber generally kills either without giving them a shot. The VH has no defense against bombing either. A vehicle/VH must depend on interceptor aircraft to kill/drive off these threats, which certainly help puts things in a more realistic context and should encourage mutual support.

Because of the WW, when you strafe things on the ground, the ground may strafe you back. Some people think this is bad, I think it is fair.

[Oleg]

Does anyone REALLY want the WW so people will use the Osti more? I doubt it.

Yes, I want exactly that. The irony of it is that WWs + Osties mix will work better against vulchers/attackers. Looks like most of "dont perk WW" crowd fail to realise it.
Perking WW will not weaken AA defence whatever somebody say (unless cost will too high).

I will repeat: The WW has no defense against level bombers with even a smidgeon of altitude, the Osti is only a little better in this regard. An accurate dive-bomber generally kills either without giving them a shot. The VH has no defense against bombing either. A vehicle/VH must depend on interceptor aircraft to kill/drive off these threats, which certainly help puts things in a more realistic context and should encourage mutual support.

Replace WW with Tiger or M4 and all your arguments still valid.

[MOIL]

But currently the Wirbelwind actually is overmodeled :

 - The turret rotates almost 2x faster that in real life
 - Our Wirbel can blaze away at highest ROF (all 4 barrels firing together) 'till his 3200 rounds are gone. A real Wirbel gunner would have to stop after 80 (!) shots to allow reloading (one reloader has to change 2 magazines each then). Continous firing would only be able with half ROF.
 Besides that, only 320 rounds were stored in the turret itself. The rest was carried in the body.

Good points,  I'll agree