I am dissapointed

[Gypsy Baron]

So, from what I see here, the old AvA is dead and reserected in the form
of a mini-MA. Too bad...seems there is no use for ACM in AH any longer
and the only place worth putting any effort is from within a scenario.
And in AH, those are too short and too far between...

Although I rarely fly AH these days, I used to enjoy dropping
into the AvA from time to time. I usually always flew as "Allied"
but again, enjoyed the freedom of switching sides when conditions
dictated. Apparently THAT is no longer `an option in mini-MA.

The whole base capture mentality is just not my cup of tea but it seems
it has been so pervasive that that is all these is to AH any longer

    =GB= ( moving on.... )

[Larry]

Now theres a team player!   

I was quoting what you would see if you tryed to put some sort of rules up.

[Chilli]

I was quoting what you would see if you tryed to put some sort of rules up.

Yeah Larry, I got that.  Seeing as it was in response to my suggestion of placing a couple of stickies so that folks have an understanding of what is expected when choosing this arena, I feel miffed that you think so little of our player base.

The person who takes the time to post on BBS, I assume is also able to read.  I agree the rule system for BBS use Sticky has prompted a number of see rule #x posts.  But a Sticky explaining the concept of what AvA play will be like, is what I meant when I said..."what is expected of them (the gamer)". 

After reading Fork's latest post, I think that the expectations will be a little different, at least for a little bit.  So, I guess the Sticky thing would include more than one Scenario.  http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,232616.0.html

[Chilli]

edit  I hit the quote button, meant to modify,my bad

No way to delete

[Krusty]

Well you all have your own private clubhouse now, and have even put up the "no girls allowed" sign on the door (aka no team switching) despite the fact that the AvA has always needed this very function.


Well, your private playground, you don't want others in, don't gripe when you get lonely. Oh, and if ya shoot yerself inna foot, don't complain about how it hurts, either.

[republic]

I think the AvA is just in it's awkward teenage years, it'll get better.  I think right now it's the worst it's ever been so....no way to go but up! 

[Oldman731]

Well you all have your own private clubhouse now, and have even put up the "no girls allowed" sign on the door (aka no team switching) despite the fact that the AvA has always needed this very function.


Well, your private playground, you don't want others in, don't gripe when you get lonely. Oh, and if ya shoot yerself inna foot, don't complain about how it hurts, either.

Perhaps, Krusty, you could share with us your ideas on how to improve the arena to make it attractive - on a regular basis - to people such as yourself?

- oldman

[Easyscor]

Well you all have your own private clubhouse now, and have even put up the "no girls allowed" sign on the door (aka no team switching) despite the fact that the AvA has always needed this very function.

Well, your private playground, you don't want others in, don't gripe when you get lonely. Oh, and if ya shoot yerself inna foot, don't complain about how it hurts, either.

I worried about that myself, but what you describe is exactly what the old AvA became. The results of the last few weeks has shown that side switching wasn't so critical to it's success after all. The arena is different now, yes, but most of it's loudest criticts have come to admit they're finding fun in the new setup.

Oldman asked what you'd change, so how would you build a viable setup for the long haul Krusty?

[Krusty]

I've expressed some opinions before, and have been told (in not such unkind terms, mind you) that they didn't matter.

First and formost, IMO, is the going overboard with the scenario-copying of late. The over-paranoia of sabotage and the over-restricting of free-flowing gameplay. I would switch teams whenever needed to balance them out, for example, but not now (can't!).

Overall the recent atmosphere is one of control, is stiffling.

Perhaps you don't agree, and that's fine. It's not a member of the club.

[Arlo]

You feel stifled and excluded from the club? Can you give something more concrete than perception to back that up or would you like to try again?

Let's you and I give something a go. I'll answer from my perch and if you wanna followup then fire back. I'll start with this one:

"First and formost, IMO, is the going overboard with the scenario-copying of late."

The problem with this being? Isn't AvA supposed to offer more than MA with a segregated and limited planeset? Isn't that the chief complaint from visiting critics no matter what the current setup/system being tried? From my experiences back when it was CT, staff has always striven toward a goal of immersiveness. Maybe it's a difference in what appeals to you versus me but I've always longed to see CT/AvA eventually evolve to something along the lines of a persistant scenario-feel arena. From discussions on this and other forums, I'm not alone. If the vision and mission of the AvA is unclear .... or interpreted differently by different individuals .... then perhaps one will be presented shortly and all can compare notes and decide if the AvA is their cup of tea or not. But it won't be due to exclusion by others. It'll be because a player does or doesn't like what the AvA really is all about.

[Puck]

I always thought the initial concept of AvA was a continuous FSO.  I think that's the definition of a scenario. 


How to make it perfect:

1. We get the F4U.  All of them.
2. They get anything with a rising sun on it
2. We get lots and lots of CVs
4. They get lots and lots of malaria infested jungle
5. We get unlimited numbers of young, buxom babes who are infinitley grateful for their liberation
6. They get beat about the head and shoulders with canes for no readily apparent reason

Any questions?

[whiteman]

I always thought the initial concept of AvA was a continuous FSO.  I think that's the definition of a scenario. 


How to make it perfect:

1. We get the F4U.  All of them.
2. They get anything with a rising sun on it
2. We get lots and lots of CVs
4. They get lots and lots of malaria infested jungle
5. We get unlimited numbers of young, buxom babes who are infinitley grateful for their liberation
6. They get beat about the head and shoulders with canes for no readily apparent reason

Any questions?

works for me.

The time I've spent in there since the change I've enjoyed myself.

[Arlo]

LOL 

[raptor33]

 ...I get a kick out of some of your responses guys . Some of you get it some of you dont and some of you dont want to. There is the MA for those that want to have a free for all. In there you can furball, plan a mission, attack a quadrant, take a base, fly any ride you want, do anything you want. Be a Jap in a wildcat or be a yankee in a zeke. You can shoot over the shoulder of 10 friendly's on one con or sit on the runway and get free kills for every con that augers. In the Duelling arena you can pick your fight, make your own agreed upon rules, brag how good you are (and people will listen) or talk trash about how bad your opponent is and he too will listen. In the practice arena you can do whatever you want as long as it is practicing. Then there is our beloved AvA..Axis vs. Allied. Hmmm......using a 190 while escorting a
B-24......shooting down a JU88 with a 109. Sounds like it is no longer axis vs. Allies.....switching sides to even the numbers....hmmmm...sounds like a noble idea.....but what about the long term objectives? Don't you want to enjoy the feeling of accomplishment? Having an early war plane up against a 262? I dont know....just doesnt seem normal. The guys have set up the AvA so that those that want to "play war" get to have some fun. Heck...I am a 50 year old guy that likes to play war. If I just want to fight, off to the duelling arena...if I want to fly a zeke and then a hellcat off to the main. When I want to practice...well you get the point. Numbers lopsided? Sure it happens. Both ways. I dont go on hoping to see lopsided numbers...but I go on when my squad is on...and we fly missions with objectives. The other night when we started, we had numbers 4 to 1 in our favor. By the time we reached our target, the numbers were even. By the time our squad night ended, it was lopsided 2 to 1 the other way. Hmmmm......I wonder if that small little Japanese squadron of 5 planes on some small little island in the middle of the pacific complained that the allies had the numbers up advantage when they were taken out back in the real war. Better yet, I wonder if many missions were scrapped because intel showed that the mission would be a lopsided unfair attack seeing as the opposition will be light. I wont even get into the question of whether or not some squadron leader heard on his radio "Boss, I know you told me to supress the opposition before they get off the ground, but I dont weant to be accused of vulching".....
Come on guys.....this is now an arena that can be a blast....and it has been as the numbers show....not too many and not too little. Get into the objectives and be part of it. You will find it a different experience every time you fly. Can you say the same about the main?
On a side note....yes, this posting of mine is all over the place. I guess I am ranting....Second side note....Trukill is a heck of a commander...allied should take advantage of his skill thius ToD...finally...go ahead..punch holes in what I am saying. Pull an Obama and take my words and spin them to be used against me....bottom line...open your mind and get off the "I am right" kick and I bet you find it a heck of a good time in there.
Raptor33, 1st Lt.
~Avengers~

[TheBug]

I'm pretty disappointed I have to sleep at night.

Had a blast last night, stayed up way too late.

Damn that AvA!