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[Xargos]

I don't understand people tracking their ancestry through paperwork.  You all do understand that people in the old days had affairs too?  But that's not really relevant in this thread.

[texasmom]

It's up for question because God being pulling the strings backstage, or not, is inconsequential to the science he's being tested on, or to what he'll retain from studying it.  It's analogous to other arguments in the thread.
I'm off to bed..

Goodnight. I read your posts with interest today.  The secular science he learned today was regarding heat transfer using radiation, convection & conduction.  And you're right, whether or not God is pulling the strings backstage on that, it's inconsequential to the lesson he was tested on. 

[Xargos]

In the beginning God created the Laws of Physics, then He simply let it run its course.

Or maybe God is the Law of Physics. 

[AKIron]

Iron:You're on a wild goose chase.  You're asking if we'll ever find evidence of supernatural stuff while looking thru a natural, empirical lens.
You will never find any proof or disproof of something that's outside the scope of your inquiry.  You'll never know enough to pretend to see God or his visions or whatever.  

Never is a long time. I'm old, another 20 years or so and I'll have all the proof needed. If I exist beyond death it will be at the very least proof that there is a supernatural realm. If my faith is unfounded then nothing means anything which means nothing matters anyhow. 

[Reschke]

There is now also DNA tracking that science can use to track a living human back to an ancestral source.  $100 bucks for your moms side, $100 bucks for your dad's side.

I did not know about this. Can you point to a source or what it is specifically called.

[Xargos]

I did not know about this. Can you point to a source or what it is specifically called.

Here is one, but it's $300 a pop.

http://www.rootsforreal.com/index.php

[wrag]

  After ice age nearly 12,000 years ago. Many of the native nations have different stories of the migration. NW natives have many stories of arriving by foot. Chasing food across land bridge.  Some peoples in South America may have arrived by boat via south sea islands.

 Earth only 14,000 years old? Bunch of revisionist bull. File that one with the flat earth society.

 Creationists trying to change science. They want people to be as ignorant as they are. So we are supposed to believe everything in the bible but question science? Science depends on fact. Religion depends on faith.

If Adam and Eve were the first humans where did Cain get his wife?
 
There are many errors in the bible. Creation is just another one. Remember the central message; Faith

Have you read it?

Says he created mankind on the 6th day.

Then he rested

THEN we get into 2nd Genesis...

NOW is 2nd Genesis a repeat of 1st or a continuation?

Why repeat it?  Why go over it again?  Traditions of men?????  (does it not say BEWARE THE TRADITIONS OF MEN?)

If you read it AS IT IS WRITTEN..........

It's a CONTINUATION of the story not a repeat (see the Companion Bible Authorized Version of 1611 KJV) Orig. Pub. 1922 Notes and appendixes by E. W. Bullinger

A little note Bullinger is or was the ONLY Christen EVER invited to assist with the Massara(spelling?).

If it's a continuation then Adam and Eve were created on the 8th day.....

Thus Cain did NOT marry his sister...............

Also according to the first 4 vs of Genesis the earth already WAS ... "THE WORLD THAT THEN WAS" (2Pet. 3,5,6) so it's FAR older then 14,000 years ......  VS "THE HEAVEN AND EARTH WHICH ARE NOW"

Genesis concerns the beginning of the 2nd earth age (biblical).........

Little note here... it is reported that J.R.R. Tolkein based his book LtoR on the Bible....

[ROX]

I did not know about this. Can you point to a source or what it is specifically called.

Some guy did have a thread on it, but now I cannot find it.


Here's the wiki on the what & why...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA_test

He's the where & how

http://www.ancestry.org/articles/dna-tracing-ancestors/index.php


ROX

[wrag]

I have no problem with Txmom believing whatever floats her boat. Sher is an adult and free to live her life as she chooses. I have a HUGE problem with home schooling children who will never have an incling of the scientific method or the reasons why it has served so well over the years. I find this development troubling indeed.

Excuse me?

You're saying that her children will never learn HOW to read and learn on their own?

You make a claim I find hard to agree with!

I pretty sure that TxMom will teach her children how to read and comprehend and look into things on their own.

AND I'm pretty sure that the scientific method is STILL taught even if the child is HOME SCHOOLED.

As to her beliefs, she IMHO has EVERY RIGHT and DUTY to share those with her children AND when her children come of age they have EVERY RIGHT and DUTY to themselves to seek out their OWN way of looking at things USING the knowledge gained through their OWN efforts!

WHO are you to decide what TxMom's children should or should not learn?

IMHO you do NOT have such a right!

Following what APPEARS to be your reasoning all MUST be taught what YOU believe is correct in the manner you believe correct?

You can PROVE this?

TxMom stick to your guns!

Many of these detractors can't PROVE they are right, that there is no God, anymore then it can be proven there is a God.

As to Science... it's been proven ON IT'S OWN, by IT'S OWN RULES to be wrong just as often as it is right.

I submit that Science is a form of RELIGION!

Based on the argument that it only exist if it can be PROVEN it exist.

Don't EVEN START with the THEORIES B.S.  Too many of them have been proven wrong! And the word THEORY means it is a form of logical imagination!  Sometimes that logical imagining is correct and sometimes it is not.

The Scientific method has merit yes, BUT there are many things they STILL DON'T KNOW! 

Many things that Science has thought was SO and then it's been proven, using the scientific method, that it was NOT SO!

The excuse has often been "Well we didn't KNOW this prior to..."  or "Had we known this before..." I could go on..........

IMHO many here are trying very hard to IMPOSE THEIR OWN BELIEFS upon you.

AND IMHO they have no more TRUTH to their claims then anyone else.

As to the Bible.

Many make claims regarding it but very few have actually read it!

And of those that have actually read it, many lack the understanding that it is CROSS REFERENCED repeatedly from one part to another, and that the New portion often refers to the Old portion and vice versa!

[CptTrips]

I did not know about this. Can you point to a source or what it is specifically called.

I think he might have been refering to the National Geographic's "Genographic Project"
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/

Regards,
Wab

[wrag]

Which would never amount to anything substantial in comparison with "God"'s knowledge, as I illustrated in the last time a thread went about this topic.. It's a mathematical impossibility, short of reaching God ourselves. If I can work that out, it's not rocket science.
Understanding what we do know is a matter of reason, philosophy.  No faith required.  In fact (i'd wager so if i was totaly sober) I'd say it's better if faith is kept out of it.Which doesn't mean the two aren't completely separate from one another.

Sorry moot but your illustration didn't work for everyone.

You may believe it did but NOPE didn't.

And now your a math genius?

Perhaps your lack of total sobriety is affecting your view?

[wrag]

God is no God if mere men can work out what he's on about.  Science is reason, religion is faith. That's all there is to it.  Neither of those two contradict or refute the other.

I disagree!

IMHO Science is a form of reasoning............

Religion is also a form of reasoning...........

IMHO Science know perhaps as much as 9% of what is.  And I'm being generous with that amount!

I could explain but I'll save that for another discussion.

Science claims to be based on FACT which way too often proves out that the FACTS are incorrect to begin with.

IMHO many try to come across as if Science is the know all be all end all of everything!

NO!

It's proven over and over it is NOT!

[wrag]

That singular statement is more scary to me, than any other you have ever made.  I have a feeling that it might be the easiest test ever... every answer being "God said so".

Insulting................

IMHO you just made an ASSUMPTION that may reflect on your own prejudice's rather then fact.

Her Son will have to pass state exams I really don't think the answer you suggested will be used by her Son or acceptable to the state.

[E25280]

Ok Prove it Chapter and verse.

Genesis 5:4.

The bible directly names only three of their children . . . Cain, Abel, and Seth . . . but says they had other sons and daughters.  It names Seth after Cain had already slain Abel (Genesis 4:25), and states Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born (Genesis 5:3).  We do not know how old Cain and Abel were at the time of the slaying, but obviously they had both grown to adulthood.  Therefore, there is plenty of time to have had plenty of other children in the interrim, one of whom (or perhaps a grandchild/great grandchild, etc.) became Cain's wife.

[AWMac]

What came first?

The Wheel, Snowshoes or Ice Skates.

Please no clubbin baby seal jokes.

Mac