Is it just me Or has the LA7 been porked when it was updated?

[FluffyKitty]

I bet many of you won't cry much but it seems to me that the La 7 is not the plane it used to be since it was updated even though HTC said that the performance had not changed apart from a few minor tweaks.  Firstly the turn rate does not seem quite as good, even though it's only a small difference, in some situations it is quite noticeable.  The big difference is I think it is with acceleration and engine power, I reckon it is well down on what it used to be.  I have noticed in quite a few situations where normally you could accelerate catch another plane or get away from trouble since the update in the same situations it seems a lot harder to do if at all.  Maybe it's just me..... or maybe not.

[Blooz]

Version 2.12 Patch 1 Released March 19, 2008


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Changes from previous release
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Added new vehicles- Flakpanzer Wirbelwind and SdKfz 251.


Added new planes - P-39D and P-39Q.


Updated Ostwind shape.


Updated La-7 and La-5FN shapes.


Updated F4U-1C


Updated Ta-152H


Made some minor handling changes to the La-5 and La-7 flight modeling, performance was not changed.


Added offline training and practice A.I. mission capability. This will allow you to download training and practice missions for offline use as they become available.


Updated aircraft carrier, cruiser, and destroyer models including updated and increased gun positions.

Changed maximum airspeed limitation for Tempest flaps and gear.


Added an additional ammo loadout to the late model Bf 109s armed with 20mm.


Changed the amount of ammo loaded on Bf 109 gondolas.


Auto flak blast radius increased while damage was reduced.


Increased WGR21 blast radius.


Fixed a bug in the F4U-1 and 1A that would continue to show a fuel leak after the wing was gone.


Spit 8 and 9 machine gun damage is now listed correctly in the damage display.


Changed the weight of 190 and 109 bomb racks.


Tank guns can no longer fire through objects through which they are protruding.


Fixed a bug in the M8 and Panzer IV that caused an "Invalid Component" errors from certain hits.


Fixed a bug with some trees that made them uncollidable.


Fixed some shading/material issues on the road system.


Fixed some z fighting issues in the hangars.


Adjusted material of muzzle flashes.


Removed chain link fence from vehicle bases.


Fixed a bug on the Me 262 that caused the the wrong engine to stop spinning when damaged.


Fixed a bug on manned gun positions that sometimes caused icons to disappear.


Fixed a level of detail bug that caused certain ground objects to disappear when they shouldn't.


Changed the artwork of bullet holes.


Fixed some sync issues between treads and wheels on vehicles.


Fixed a bug in the Lancaster that would leave the vertical stab intact when the horizontal stab was destroyed.


Fixed a bug in the .r command (replies to the last person who sent you a private message without tuning) that would cause it to lose track of the last person to privately message you.


Fixed a gunner in planes with single gunners that would result in an erroneous viewpoint after you ran out of ammo and hit the backspace key.


Dive brakes now show up on other player's planes when deployed.


Flashing base under attack icons update more accurately.


Tank drones no longer appear on the runway or at the CV groups in offline mode.


Fixed a bug with external engine sounds on multiengine planes so that shutting off one engine doesn't silence all engines.


Fixed a CTD bug in the destroy objects CM menu.


Help tips now display long enough to read when you aren't preloading textures.


Once bomber drones land, they will destruct if you take back off and fly more than 3 miles away.


Arena names now update correctly from the lobby when using the .sr and .f commands.

[Krusty]

Top speed may be the same, but I guarantee the turning capability and high speed turning has degraded.

I've flown the LA7 in the past enough to know I point my nose somewhere and it go there instantly.

I took one up because I was getting horded very badly and wanted "payback" this weekend... only..

it sucked big time. It was sluggish to the point of turning like a typhie. You can't pull and Gs at all. This is with combat trim OFF and yes I was chopping my thottle (and also firewalling it to test out the new modeling, once I realize the difference).

It's been porked big time.

I am betting you will NOT see the la7 much anymore. Spixteen has it all now, except speed. La probably can't even fight with 190s now.

[moot]

I don't think so... I upped it the other day and killed at least seven players about to capture from a CV, pretty much single-handedly.  Spits, F6Fs, an F4U, and two LVTs.  It's still fast, agile, still a small target, and still shoots 3 20mm from the nose.

I noticed it might be a little less capable in barrel rolls against an F6F, but it was only a slight difference, not a "big time" difference.

"La probably can't even fight with 190s now". It's not nearly that much worse.

[Lusche]

I did up a LA a few times after update, and handling changes were hardly noticeable for me. Was still able to dogfight against everything thrown at me. Might be tiny bit less stable at slow speeds, but no big issue.
It's defenitely not "porked"


(BTW, I have read "this new version has porked XXX" about at least a dozen GVs and planes on ch200 after update  )

[Emu]

Of course this is entirely related to gut feel, but acceleration definitely does not seem the same as before.  I was so surprised indeed, i checked my RPM wheel a few times to make sure it was all the way up.  I only up LAs when i have to (i.e. defending NOE missions), and it definitely seemed more effective before.

[Lusche]

Of course this is entirely related to gut feel, but acceleration definitely does not seem the same as before. 

I just did an offline test and read out acceleration with the film viewer.
Nothing has changed. 200 to 250 mph at 500ft in just under 11 seconds.

Made some minor handling changes to the La-5 and La-7 flight modeling, performance was not changed.

It seems they didn't lie

[miraj]

I have noticed a 50mph speed discrenacy on the cockpit speedometer and the E6b speedometer.

This has nothing to do with indicated vs groundspeed.

And yes , to me , the plane aint what it was.

[Tilt]

Any change made is very "subtle". The new cockpit and the airspeed indicator error aid to confuse but stuff seems largely unchanged.
If any thing I stall the la5FN less and my ability with its low speed handling is improved. I must admit to flying the La7 somewhat less since its recent facelift.

Given the exact wording of Pyros explanation it was indeed a minor tweak that was probably too complex for our intellects to grasp and understand properly.

[FluffyKitty]

Thanks for the opinions, if anything most of us can agree that the changes are minor, but when you think about a even if 3% difference in performance (which can be considered as minor probably) when going head-to-head make a big difference.  The LA7 is still a beast, but if it is not lacking in engine power  it probably bleeds energy at a greater rate now.  Moves that I used to be at easily pull off (offensively or defensively) don't work as well, or just get me in the *&%$#! by the way isn't it funny how everybody admits that they only fly an LA7 only rarely!  (Is that a bit like reading Playboy only for the articles)

[Noir]

took it for a single ride the other day, as a lone defender over a friendly base full of nmy blue planes. Got 8 kills before fuel ran out with a 2 gun loadout...man that plane still got crazy verticals !! High speed maneuvring felt better as I had no problem shooting guys at the end of the dive. Still a cheat code plane that I'll use on desperate situations

[Hazzer]

I never fly LA's,but because of the update decided to take up an La5 FN,a fantastic aeroplane,I loved it an had a lot of success in it,if the LA 7 is anything like the LA 5,I can't see what you have to complain about.Only dislikes of the LA 5 are fuel an Bomb load

[Yeager]

Made some minor handling changes to the La-5 and La-7 flight modeling, performance was not changed.
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How do you change the way something "handles" without changing the way it "performs"?

[DoNKeY]

Made some minor handling changes to the La-5 and La-7 flight modeling, performance was not changed.
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How do you change the way something "handles" without changing the way it "performs"?

Hehe that's what I was wondering.

donkey

[Widewing]

"Performance" relates to speed, climb and acceleration. No changes there.

Flap deployment speeds changed slightly. Aileron sensitivity seems a bit less at lower speeds. Other than that, I see no other changes.

Within that, the La-5FN/La-7 still dominates in the low altitude envelope.

My regards,

Widewing