Britians answer to the 17 pounder

[AApache]

 Sometime in the future it would be nice to see the British tank called the comet. It used a massive 77MM shell equal to the 17 pounder. It had denser armor than the sherman and was called the sports cars of tanks by the british soldiers who enjoyed it in 1945. It also used a armor piercing high velocity depleted Sabo round which we would be the equivelant of our modern day uranium depleted rounds.The comet also utilized a wider track profile than that of the sherman.

  It has been a pleasure to see so many changes in the game and this tank would be awesome. It was britians answer to the panther and the tiger.Britian had nothing that would penetrate tiger armor until the Comet.Historians and the History channel as well as the operators of this vehicle spoke very highly of this tank during the show and to date there are only 12 that have been restored to running condition. Let's keep the game growing with fresh new inovations.

= salute = and keep it coming research and development team 

[moot]

The Firefly showed up after the Comet?

[texasmom]

Interesting. There's a general topics thread about the Comet as well. I started looking at info on it, but didn't get far enough to form an opinion about it.  One thing that was lacking in everything I read was commentary from those who were actually part of a Comet crew. 

*edit* I did see something about it having to be relegated to being an anti-tank weapon, as there were some problems with the HE rounds. Will read more about that later though.

Here's the link to the other Comet thread:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,232909.0.html#top

[Meatwad]

I still want a Panzer 3H

[GtoRA2]

I am pretty sure I read the 77 on the comet was a shorter 17 pounder. I don't see how a shorter 17 pounder would be better then a long 17pounder.



A depleted what round?   

Someone who knows something about tanks should debunk the first post.

[Dowding]

Interesting. There's a general topics thread about the Comet as well. I started looking at info on it, but didn't get far enough to form an opinion about it.  One thing that was lacking in everything I read was commentary from those who were actually part of a Comet crew. 

*edit* I did see something about it having to be relegated to being an anti-tank weapon, as there were some problems with the HE rounds. Will read more about that later though.

I'm sorry, but the idea of someone's mum being interested in the ballistic characteristics of obscure WW2 British tanks is just a little bit... well... weird.

[Dowding]

BTW, I think you mean Britain.

[rogerdee]

the firefly came before the comet,but we all know the fire fly is a upgunned sherman,with the
same sherman armour.
The comet had better armour better gun and better amunition,it could take on the latest german
tanks almost as a equal and win.
The comet from what i have seen was loved by its crews.
although when it was introduced in 1945 it was already oblescent and would be no match for the russian heavey tanks if the cold war hadnt been cold in 1946.

[Airscrew]

Here was my wishlist for tanks a couple of years ago.   I would still want the same tanks and maybe a couple of others.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,177843.0.html

British tanks
Crusader III – up to 51mm frontal armor,  57mm gun, 2,800 fps, able to penetrate 81mm of armor at 500 yds.  Variations include Cursader III AA anti-aircraft vehicle with one 40mm Bofors gun or with twin 20mm Oerlikon cannon.
Speed approx 28 mph

Cromwell IV – up to 76mm armor, 75mm gun, 2,030 fps, able to penetrate 68mm armor at 500 yds.  Variations include Cromwell VI with 94mm howitzer, Cromwell VIII upgraded armor to 101mm.
Speed varies from 28 mph to 40mph depending on version

A34 Crusier Tank Comet – up to 101mm armor, 77mm gun, 2,600 fps, able to penetrate 109mm armor at a range of 500 yds
Speed approx 32mph

Churchill VI -  up to 104mm armor, 75mm gun.  2,030 fps, penetrate 68mm armor at 500 yds.   Several variations including Churchill V armed with 94mm howitzer and the Churchill VII with frontal armor up to 152mm and armed with 75mm gun

US tanks
M24 Chaffee – up to 38mm armor, 75mm gun, speed approx 34mph

M36 Gun Motor Carriage – 90mm anti-tank gun, open top, uses hull of M4 Sherman

M4A4 Sherman (also British as the Sherman VC Firefly) 76.2mm gun, upto 76mm armor, speed approx 22 mph

M26 Pershing – 90mm gun, upto 102mm armor, speed approx 30mph

Russian
T-34/85 – upto 75mm armor, 85mm gun, 2,625 fps and penetrate 102mm at 1,095 yds.  speed approx 31 mph

KV-85 – upto 110mm armor, 85mm gun , same as T-34/85.
Speed approx 22 mph

IS-1, IS-2, or IS-3 – upto 120mm armor, 122mm gun, 2,559 fps, speed approx 22 mph

[texasmom]

I'm sorry, but the idea of someone's mum being interested in the ballistic characteristics of obscure WW2 British tanks is just a little bit... well... weird.

Oh, my interest is never in the machinery (of anything) ~ almost entirely in the people.

[Halo46]

I am pretty sure I read the 77 on the comet was a shorter 17 pounder. I don't see how a shorter 17 pounder would be better then a long 17pounder.



A depleted what round?   

Someone who knows something about tanks should debunk the first post.

I am curious why anything should be 'debunked' just because you don't know what depleted uranium rounds are. Sorry, that confuses me...

[Pongo]

Because it was not clear in this thread.
The 77mm is a smaller gun that fires a de-rated 17 pounder round of significantly diminished penetration for any given ammo type compared to the 17 pounder.
20mm - 30 mm less depending on whether it was sabot or not.
Its performance is more like the 75mm L48 on the panzer IVH then the Fireflys 17 pounder.

Compared to the Firefly, your trading some gun for some armour and lots of speed.

The comet would have to treat the Tiger with more respect then the Firefly does.

[GtoRA2]

I am curious why anything should be 'debunked' just because you don't know what depleted uranium rounds are. Sorry, that confuses me...

Ok smart guy, show me a anything proving that they had depleted uranium rounds in 1945-50....

[FrodeMk3]

Because it was not clear in this thread.
The 77mm is a smaller gun that fires a de-rated 17 pounder round of significantly diminished penetration for any given ammo type compared to the 17 pounder.
20mm - 30 mm less depending on whether it was sabot or not.
Its performance is more like the 75mm L48 on the panzer IVH then the Fireflys 17 pounder.

Compared to the Firefly, your trading some gun for some armour and lots of speed.

The comet would have to treat the Tiger with more respect then the Firefly does.

At least the same- The firefly IS still a sherman. The 17-pounder isn't some magical wand that deflects' 88mm shells. The Firefly's survival depends' upon getting a first shot, at about 500 yrds. to be sure of a first-round kill. Otherwise, the Tiger's first shot in the engagement will be the last.

The Comet's armor might let it survive at a closer range to a Tiger than the Firefly could.

BTW, Why is this in the O'club, and not Planes' and Vehicles?

[Halo46]

Ok smart guy, show me a anything proving that they had depleted uranium rounds in 1945-50....

His post does not say they used them, he compared the two, correctly or incorrectly is irrelevant regarding your post for someone to debunk his entire post. If you had asked someone to debunk this specific item as you now elaborate, I would not have needed to reply at all. So, please be more specific in the future, communication is everything.