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Offline Skuzzy

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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2008, 03:27:56 PM »
I always use Artic Silver.  I always dress cables out of the way.  The case has a duct for routing external air to the CPU fan.  It is an Antec Sonata II case.

It has one HD, one DVD-ROM, and one DVD Burner.  The 7600GT exhausts its heat to the outside of the case as well.
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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2008, 03:59:22 PM »
I always use Artic Silver.  I always dress cables out of the way.  The case has a duct for routing external air to the CPU fan.  It is an Antec Sonata II case.

It has one HD, one DVD-ROM, and one DVD Burner.  The 7600GT exhausts its heat to the outside of the case as well.

That's what I figured.  You can't be a non-messy case setup.
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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2008, 04:40:05 PM »
I use artic silver too, and I use air, Zalman I believe. My fan cpu runs about 37c on full load.

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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2008, 11:53:48 PM »
Currently using air...too much of it. :D

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1x"turbine" PCI exhaust fan equal to 2 or 3 120mm fans pulling off the video card
2x80mm fans in bottom/back of PSU
Giant copper fin radial heatsink from Thermaltake (CPU reported 27-32 deg C under load...not sure I believe it, but it is a Northwood after all)

All of which have blue LEDs, making the case so bright it was damaging my right eye and I had to tape up a barrier... :noid
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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2008, 05:05:46 PM »
I think important questions are how are we getting temperature readings, are they accurate, and what is too high.  Someone  reported 27C.  That's a warm room (80F) temp.  I'm not saying it's wrong but have trouble believing that the core of a CPU can really be that cool when running with air cooling. 

Getback reports 37C under full load.  He and I have the same MOBO, CPU (e8400) and perhaps cooler (Zalman).  I am running CoreTemp in the background and see 40-42C right now with only the forum up and see high 40s with a max of 50C in Aces High.  I used Arctic Silver 5.  I have an Atec 900 case with lots of fans and good air flow.  I have an e8400CPU on an Abit IP35-Pro MOBU.  I am using a Zalman 9700 CPU cooler.  My video card is an EVGA 8800GTS.  I can take the side off of the case and touch the CPU heatsink when the coretem reading is in the high 40sC (120F) and it and it doesn't even feel warm.  I realize I'm not feeling the core but if the heat sink were not conducting heat away from the CPU the CPU would just keep getting hotter and hotter and reach a temp well above 50C.  If air flow were a problem the heatsink would heat up.  So I question the numbers. 

Is my thinking off?   Seeing the lower numbers makes me wonder if I have a problem.   So how are you getting your core temps and how do you know they are accurate.
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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2008, 05:08:06 PM »
I use the BIOS temperature reading. I don't know it's accurate.

EDIT: Do note that mine is 27 at full idle, as in BIOS running only. I'm sure it creeps up to around 40 in the intense games. That's the wonderful thing about Northwood cores (after the migration of the core material was fixed); they run extremely cool for their generation and make great overclockers...though I haven't.
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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2008, 06:30:47 PM »
I could be mistaken about this but the night my CPU fan wasn't runninig and my processor got hot I went to the Intel site to do some research on safe operating temperatures.  If I recall correctly, this is what I found:

Core2Duo processors can have temepratures read from a location directly in the center of the top of the processor (which also happens to be the critical heat transfer point to your heat sink).  They also utilize one of the pins to transfer core temp data to the motherboard but not all motherboards support that option, thus the first method is also available.

Safe operating temps IIRC are in the 70+C range.  There are failsafes built into the processor to help keep it below critical temperatures.  As the processor passes normal operating temps it will reduce clock speeds to reduce heat.  This process is supposedly almost un-noticable at the user level.  If temperatures reach critical states (somewhere just north of 100C), the processor will cut voltages until it reaches safe temperatures again.

To verify this you can go to the Intel web-site.  You are looking for a document on thermal management.  Like I said, I might be wrong as I'm recounting this from memory but I think this is correct.

That said, my guess is that your and my motherboards are able to read the core temp data being supplied by the pin as they are both newer boards.

Using the stock Intel heatsink/fan/thermal grease my idle temp is ~27-28C and my operating temp under load is less than 40C according to the n-view monitor (I have an NVidea mobo) .  Also, according to n-view, my CPU fan rarely runs over 1000 rpm (although it does on occasion).  Normal fan speed at idle is ~990 RPM.

I'm not sure that answered your question but I'm reasonably comfortable that the temp readings are accurate.
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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2008, 06:03:54 AM »
The ambient air temperature is a major factor in what temperature your CPU runs at.
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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2008, 06:39:28 AM »
Our thermostat reads just below 70F, but I could probably auction it off as a WWII relic and not lie.
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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2008, 12:07:17 PM »
Using Speedfan my temps, using air cooling are as follows...

Ambient - 70f - 21c

Idle
Case - 88f | 31c
CPU - 72f - 73f | 22c-23c
HD - 81f | 27c

Full Load
Case - 90f | 32c
CPU - 93f - 95f | 34c-35c
HD - 82f | 28c

This is with an E8400 and a case that has a duct for air directly to the CPU.
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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2008, 04:00:10 PM »
having messed with all of it..  anything other than air cooling, is a waste of money and time..  its getting all trendy and crap to use different methods for the sole reason that they are different. which, if being able to say "wows look at my cool green glowing liquid cooling system!" is just peachy...  but for functionality and return for your $$$...  air.

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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2008, 05:55:47 PM »
My BIOS tells me my CPU temp is 3C.  CoreTemp tells me it is 42C with just the desktop and CoreTemp running.  Speedfan tells me it is 10C with the desktop, CoreTemp, and Speedfan running.  Does anyone get temps that are even close using different monitoring utilities?

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Idle
Case - 88f | 31c
CPU - 72f - 73f | 22c-23c
HD - 81f | 27c
Do you think your HD and CPU are really that much cooler than the case they are in.  (And I'm not trying to be argumentative - just trying to understand what's going on.) :)
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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2008, 08:36:55 PM »
Skuzzy i love it!  Pure simple easy to do and enough to make em all happy!

CFM= Air in has to = Air out!

2 decent 120mm's  keep it efficiant and quiet!(4 is even better if your OC'ing)

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I personally will ... Stay way from the Zalman HS...................Thermalt ake is a solid name and HS no matter how you go.(big breathable copper HS)


Now pumping water or some other fluid that could kill my machine after i spent the time to create a piece of art is just sacreligeous!   the performace gains could never justify the means!
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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2008, 09:45:41 PM »
Actually, keeping a positive pressure inside the case is a good idea. All cases have nooks and usually holes drilled in them; positive pressure blows the dust out of them.
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Re: How are you guys cooling your systems
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2008, 08:54:28 AM »
My BIOS tells me my CPU temp is 3C.  CoreTemp tells me it is 42C with just the desktop and CoreTemp running.  Speedfan tells me it is 10C with the desktop, CoreTemp, and Speedfan running.  Does anyone get temps that are even close using different monitoring utilities?

NHawkDo you think your HD and CPU are really that much cooler than the case they are in.  (And I'm not trying to be argumentative - just trying to understand what's going on.) :)
Yes I do.

The CPU receives filtered air directly from outside of the case via a duct and the heat it produces is vented inside of the case.



The HD has a 120mm fan blowing filtered external air directly on it. It sits where the blue box is in the photo.



And when I check idle temperatures from Speedfan with Bios they match. There's no way to double check full load with bios since the moment you remove full load the cpu cools quickly.
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