new AVA rules of engagement

[captain1ma]

can we have rules of engagement for the new scenario??? i know im planning on putting out a directive for rules of engagement for the axis side.

would the Allieds be willing to comply or atleast compromise a set of rules of engagement??

[JagdTankker]

can we have rules of engagement for the new scenario??? i know im planning on putting out a directive for rules of engagement for the axis side.

would the Allieds be willing to comply or atleast compromise a set of rules of engagement??

i am willing to bet they would agree to a set of rules, it's just getting them to follow it.

[captain1ma]

what we need is a method of enforcement!  booted from squad?? booted from arena?? something. maybe make a wall of shame??

the other side of it is that its not 100% enforceable. even i ho and vulch once in awhile. we just need to figure out a way to keep it to a minimum.

[JagdTankker]

that will never happen, ever.I was in there last night with a few friends, so we decide to attack A-60 in thunderbolts.We go mover there with a bomb on thinking they are taking this base or trying to....NOT!

I witnessed 10 Allies Vs. 3 maybe 4 Axis and the Allies were hoing every one of them, even while they outnumbered the Axis, which so looked like the MA.The only reason i say something about the MA is that while my squaddies and i were outnumbered by the axis in the weeds fighting the FB/68th guys just watched and waited for the Axis to not be looking.And even though they outnumbered the Axis by 2 to 1, the Allies still got it handed to them, i know this because in one flight for myself i saw the other Allies uppping atleast 3 times in my one flight.

highlight of the night was when one of the FB's complained he got HO'ed by one of the Fw-190's

[captain1ma]

yeah i know, i was on last night. 30 seconds off the ground and i got ho'd from 1k  out. probably my fault but i had no intent on shooting until i died. if we could limit this dweebish behavior, which is what i'm working on, we could make it a better place. if i had my way, AVA would be by invitation only. then you can get the best of the best in there and leave the animals to play in the MA's

[Gaidin]

I was in the arena for a few minutes last night, had some things to do with the kids so I didn't get to stay on long.  I had time for one flight.  I went to whatever base was being attacked.  The town was down.  10 allied, 3-4 axis players.  I was just looking for a quick fight.  190 ran into the ack 4 times, tried a HO pass, on the 2nd HO pass, I HOd him back.  Its just part of the game.  Axis run into there ack as much as allieds do.  Axis HO as much as the allied do.  I see it day in and day out.  From now on, for me anyways, If my opponent even looks like he is thinking of a HO pass, I will HO him.  If he runs into the ack, I will chase him.  If I am at a disadvantage, I will run into the Ack, I will HO, I will do whatever I need to.  

Rules of engagement will not work, because then you have to depend on the integrity of the individual, and sadly it has been my experience that most just dont have any.

My .02 and observations, nothing more.

[captain1ma]

i understand that, and thats why im asking everyone to consider rules of engagement. i think its a necessary thing. i know that some people arent going to play by the rules but, if most of them do, we could probably get some of the better players back in there. i need everyones help on this.

question again: would you be willing to play more in AVA if there is a set rules of engagement, even if a few, not everyone, but a just a few, broke the rules??

id rather have everyone play by the rules, but we dont live in a perfect world. this is the best i can do!

[JagdTankker]

i understand that, and thats why im asking everyone to consider rules of engagement. i think its a necessary thing. i know that some people arent going to play by the rules but, if most of them do, we could probably get some of the better players back in there. i need everyones help on this.

question again: would you be willing to play more in AVA if there is a set rules of engagement, even if a few, not everyone, but a just a few, broke the rules??

id rather have everyone play by the rules, but we dont live in a perfect world. this is the best i can do!

i will play by the rules, if there were any.

and for Gaidin, i feel ya on that note.But they do the same crap to me and i still WILL NOT ho shoot or ack run no matter what they do, i still won't do it.

[flatiron1]

what about the ones who do not read this forum. I think trying to set rules is a good idea but a waste of effort. so I say "Rules we don't need no stinking rules!"

[flatiron1]

oh and  Captain 1ma I miss your little propaganda report, very inspiring to us allies. please start back

[raptor33]

The problem is, many dont even know the difference between a defelction shot and a HO. Many dont understand the differnece between vulching and supressing the opposition during a capture. I have been accused of Hoing when it was a deflection shot....on Monday night, I came down at an angle and took the shot. Even if he wanted to shoot back he wouldnt have had a shot. This was not a HO, but sure enough he siad "nice HO" on the buffer. And, again, call it vulching if you want.....but why should I let a spit get up from a  field if I have 3 c47's about to drop troops over the town? How do I know that all that spit is looking for is a fight? My guess will be that he is on his way to shoot the troops as is expected in this arena....and if he is smart, he will not grab but instaed make a run straight to the town...which most of us would do. So by the time I realize that the spit is not looking for a fight but instead is looking to kill the troops, he is halfway there and my mission to supress the opposition has all but failed. Simple solution....if you are looking for a fight, dont up a field that has the town being hit.
I dont know...I just dont get some of you guys and your complaints.
Raptor33

[captain1ma]

oh and  Captain 1ma I miss your little propaganda report, very inspiring to us allies. please start back

what and create more hate and discontent?? hehehe

Listen guys, i know both sides are doing whatever they want. so lets bring everyone in line with a set of rules. it has to start at the CO level and work down. even individual players. i have no problem with rogue player but they just have to play by rules we set. as for people that dont read the forums, if we could eject them, we could make sure they read the rules first.

people are going to break the rules once in awhile, i do it, everyone does it. thats fine, but if someone always does it, then we nail em. we need everyone to help with this. commanders, XO's, and players alike.

we need enforcement to the point where if you're a ho'er, you're off the squad. its that simple. if we could get the AVA to be invitation only, that would take care of alot of the rogue player problems.

then we could all abide by a finite set of rules.

I know, i know, its everyones $15 dollars. thats fine. you want to pay, go play in the MA and do your thing. In the AVA its a special place with special rules. deal with it or be banished. thats my thoughts.

[captain1ma]

The problem is, many dont even know the difference between a defelction shot and a HO. Many dont understand the differnece between vulching and supressing the opposition during a capture. I have been accused of Hoing when it was a deflection shot....on Monday night, I came down at an angle and took the shot. Even if he wanted to shoot back he wouldnt have had a shot. This was not a HO, but sure enough he siad "nice HO" on the buffer. And, again, call it vulching if you want.....but why should I let a spit get up from a  field if I have 3 c47's about to drop troops over the town? How do I know that all that spit is looking for is a fight? My guess will be that he is on his way to shoot the troops as is expected in this arena....and if he is smart, he will not grab but instaed make a run straight to the town...which most of us would do. So by the time I realize that the spit is not looking for a fight but instead is looking to kill the troops, he is halfway there and my mission to supress the opposition has all but failed. Simple solution....if you are looking for a fight, dont up a field that has the town being hit.
I dont know...I just dont get some of you guys and your complaints.
Raptor33

i understand what you're saying raptor, but this next scenario is different, there will be NO base taking! take that out of the equation, now would you be willing to not vulch or HO, mind you i'm not accusing you but rather asking you??

[a4944]

for raising the issue Jaeger but I think rules would cause more bad feelings.  I thought there were these rules when I started playing and I got extremely frustrated as even long time AvA players were making exceptions to these rules.  I personally try to avoid HOing, vulching, etc but don't expect it from others.  It makes it easier to accept when it happens.

Venom

[raptor33]

i understand what you're saying raptor, but this next scenario is different, there will be NO base taking! take that out of the equation, now would you be willing to not vulch or HO, mind you i'm not accusing you but rather asking you??

If there is no base taking, a vulch and a HO is a waste of time. Let me say thios....it takes too darn long for me to fly from base A to base B for me to fly in cirlces to get a kill or two. I have better things to do with my time...I take no pride in getting a kill by vulching...i take pride in my success as it pertains to my assignement of a mission. No offense to those that may take this a little more serious than I do....but you guys are cartoons on my computer......to get a cheap kill is completely meaningless to me.....as a matter of fact, if the arena did not allow for "objectives" I dont think I would even be in there. I am a 50 year old guy that loves to play war. Sad but true. I am not a 50 year old guy that has his wife angry at him twice a week because he "plays that stupid game" as she likes to say, so I can walk around with my chest in the air because I can kill a cartoon figure.
No offense to those that fly for that reason.....just not what I prefer to do.
Raptor33