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Offline Rino

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2008, 12:14:45 AM »
     You can fight up as well as down, it's just a little more challenging.
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2008, 12:28:43 AM »
I have started to enjoy open air fights. In the past couple nights I have      had a couple great 190 bnz fights and the out come was me forcing the over shoot after 10 minute fight. I do consider myself a furballer multi con fighter. I try and play the game to have fun and if that is high or low atl so be it.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2008, 12:41:54 AM »
 Ya I think its harder now to find a single person to fight. Everyone flocks to the same base. Now I flank the routes of travel from an enemy base and let a guy see me, give chase, then fight alone. Even then its almost always a 2 on 1.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2008, 01:58:45 AM »
You miss the point.  No one is really dying.  He's saying he'd rather get in and mix it up than not fight even if the odds are stacked against him.

No, he's not missing the point.  You are begging the question.  Mtnman said it's no fun to to play against people who don't care if they get shot down.  His original complaint can still be carried out against your reply:  we'd rather that you rtb, grab more altitude, egress etc., than put yourself in a hopeless situation.  Putting yourself in a hopeless situation is boring for us.

P.S.  Mtnman has shot me down many times, and always after I tried my hardest not to let him do it. :salute
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2008, 03:27:38 AM »
but now it's just 109s, 190, La's, Spits, P51's, and the occassional TYPH/TEMP just BnZing then Running or 6 guys diving on 1 guy.

This pretty much what i find during US prime time, off peak hours are better fights. Did have a Nit that went by Tom with a couple numbers, he pmed me and we had a good fight.

Besides that it was dive into the mess of 190's, 51's and spits.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2008, 03:59:30 AM »
Sometimes you have to think your way around the arena mentality to get a good fight. The biggest darbars on the map will always attract the pickers. What I usually look for is fights that are about to happen.

A small darbar off our coast might be an enemy CV for instance. Take off early and you can get a few kills before it becomes a hoardfest for one side or the other.

Similarly if one of our CVs is nearing an enemy field I up heavy and take out the ordnance. Usually one or two guys will up to defend the base, given some E I can engage them while drawing the fight away from the base.

V bases under air attack are another favourite, you often get a steady trickle of jabos, low alt buffs and a few fighters coming in but nothing too organised.

Flying from Europe I find the same thing as Whiteman. The closer you get to US primetime, the worse the fights become. Maybe its the "winning is the only thing" attitude.




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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2008, 05:41:31 AM »
10 k is low to me. :D I guess im a "astrocat"......yep I'll ho ya too. :rock
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2008, 10:15:07 AM »

Flying from Europe I find the same thing as Whiteman. The closer you get to US primetime, the worse the fights become. Maybe its the "winning is the only thing" attitude.

The reason for hordes is two-fold.

1. Miserable pilots like the herd. They feel safe in the herd. They get some vulch or gang kills and don't feel completely helpless. :rock

2. Winning the base establishes a certain level of pride.... I suppose that if you suck like a Hoover, you have lower standards. ;)

One redeeming factor: Pilots we train in ACM are seldom found in the hordes. That only reinforces the above.

Lately, I have enjoyed hunting down porkers or defending against hordes with an IL-2 or Wirbelwind. It's easy to get a lot of kills in these beasties while breaking up the mobs.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2008, 10:59:41 AM »
No, he's not missing the point.  You are begging the question.  Mtnman said it's no fun to to play against people who don't care if they get shot down.  His original complaint can still be carried out against your reply:  we'd rather that you rtb, grab more altitude, egress etc., than put yourself in a hopeless situation.  Putting yourself in a hopeless situation is boring for us.

P.S.  Mtnman has shot me down many times, and always after I tried my hardest not to let him do it. :salute

I think what mensa was saying is that as long as he has a good/great fight with someone, it doesn't piss him off if he loses, because he had a good, well fought fight.  I guess he didn't explain it that great in your guys' eyes. 

I understand where mtnman is coming from when he says that he doesn't want to fight someone who doesn't care if they win or lose (becuase then there's no heart in the fight, they might resort to cheap tactics, etc), but I don't think that's what mensa had in mind when he typed that response out.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2008, 11:57:14 AM »
Personally, I am sick of having to climb to 10k + just to be on an even playing field with most of the guys in here.

And most of the time its alot higher than that.

Don't really care about the historical accuracy of it.

It seems no matter how high you climb, they are always higher. And if they are not, they will run away until they are. Fun Fun Fun!

And yet all you hear from guys on these BBs is that they can never find a "good Fight"

Its kinda a catch 22. If you don,t get high,you die. So consequently everyone keeps flying higher and higher(regardess of their motives)

And guess what?

They are usually flying so high they don't see the opportunity for a good fight fly right underneath them at 5-6k.



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very well stated :aok
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2008, 11:58:44 AM »
Dan and Donkey have it correct.  When I go into a fight, hopeless situation or not, I fully intend to live and beat the others throughly :)  But if I get shot down in the process, I don't mind at all, planes are free and I'll roll another.
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2008, 12:15:44 PM »
Can I intend to jump to the moon? :lol :huh :noid
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2008, 12:19:23 PM »
No, I wasn't picking on Mensa...  I was making the point that in order to have a decent fight (IMO), both opponents need to have a strong desire to win, and do everything in their power to do so.  They don't have to start out on equal footing necessarily, as long as they both give it thier best.  Personally, I prefer fights taht don't start out as purely equal, as IMO they're more interesting, for many of the same reasons I find fights between differing plane types more interesting.

If AH consisted of all "equal" fights, I'd be bored and quit within days.  If that's what you want, look in the DA.  DA fights lack incentive (again IMO), so don't bring out a strong enough emotional desire to win.  I find that having the different incentives in the MA brings that out more often.  Want your name in lights when you land kills?  Want a better score?  Want to flaunt your kills in your opponents face when you land "his" kills?  Want to perform well in front of your countrymen, squad, friends?  Be "known" and "feared" by your "enemies".  Whatever the incentive, I don't care, it makes people try harder.  It makes them want to not get shot down, and that's what I want.

The DA doesn't offer that IMO.  It offers a few things that will always appeal to a select few players, but isn't "enough", even for them.  If it were they wouldn't be here complaining, they'd be shut away in the DA and we wouldn't even know thier names in the MA.

IMO, the DA is little more than "practice" for the real event.  Not even that great of a practice area (IMO) compared to the TA.  The fact is, the VAST majority of people who get shot down in a fight have no idea why, how, or how to fix thier problems.  Watching a film won't do them much good, unless someone spells out what to look for in it.  The TA is a better practice format, because they don't die, but get an audio "punishment" when they screw up enough to get hit.  And since they can't be killed, I find people are more honestly helpful in there than in the DA, where the albeit small incentive to win is still enough to keep many pilots from being as helpful as they could be.

Personally, I prefer higher alt fights (12-14k) over low fights.  That can be said whether I'm advantaged or disadvantaged, equal plane types or not, 1v1, 1v2 or 3, 2v2, many vs many, whatever.  Fights on the deck bore me.  I prefer to vastly greater options of a high fight.  Large manuevers, small manuevers, fast, slow, and back to fast, staying high, going low, going back high, whatever.  If I wanted to be on the deck I'd be driving internet Nascar.  I find far more quality fights in the 12k area than I do on the deck.  As a matter of fact, I have no difficulty finding fun, decent fights any time I log in.  And having some height and speed allows me to sculpt my fights, avoid gangs, avoid getting picked, etc...  

Will I pick people I see lower than me?  Absolutely!  If you're in that position you're a dollar bill on the convenience store floor.  I may be headed to the "main event" (the beer in the rear cooler) but if I see a dollar bill on the floor I'll delay long enough to pick it up.  Someone else's mistake = my gain.  Why not?  Picking the dollar up may not qualify as an earth-shattering victory, but how many of you would walk on by?  What do they expect??  Should I drop to thier speed and alt, get in front of them for a "proper" merge, and make sure their buddies give them a check six???  Gimme a break.  Fact is, most of the horde down there is in need of some serious training anyway, and the result of giving them an equal or advantaged fight wouldn't be any different than had I simply picked them.

Looking for "good", "decent" fights under 5k?  Might I interest you in my sandbox?  If you dig through it you may find a gem.  You need to search where your probabilty of finding the object of your desires is highest.  In my case, I live in farm country with lots of stray cats.  Digging in my sandbox won't yield too many gems, but you find a lot of s^^t.  I don't doubt some of you enjoy fighting on the deck, or don't have the desire/patience/whatever to climb.  That's fine, it's your choice.  But complaining about what you find down there is nuts.  It sounds to me like a lot of you want quality, but refuse to put in any effort to locate it.  And then complain because there aren't any gems in the sandbox...

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2008, 12:28:36 PM »
Your desire to 'live' in a cartoon world, sounds an awful lot like what some of us see as flying 'safe'.

It's your dime so enjoy :)
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2008, 01:19:02 PM »
mtnman, i agree 100%. If i could write decent english, my post would be same as yours :D
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