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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #75 on: April 14, 2008, 04:27:56 PM »
What does 1-on-1 have to do with a good fight?

If you want a good fight, you create the situation you want.
If it is only 1-on-1 you enjoy, go to DA or TA to get your fix
It's short-hand for even fights, whether that's Urchin in a 3:1, or two random pilots in a DA style duel, or any permutation of the variables where the pilots are pretty much the deciding factor.  
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #76 on: April 14, 2008, 04:33:31 PM »
..I truly had no intention of riling you...


I know, was never riled, just trying to clear up a misunderstanding :).
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #77 on: April 14, 2008, 05:48:03 PM »
What does 1-on-1 have to do with a good fight?

If you want a good fight, you create the situation you want.
If it is only 1-on-1 you enjoy, go to DA or TA to get your fix

Because some of us like unknown factor of coming upon a 1v1 instead of 'setting' it up.  Who are you fighting?  Are they good, bad, what?  You don't know what plane you'll be up against, or whether you will be at a disadvantage or not until right before it starts.  These unknowns are what can make it even more exciting rather then knowing exactly everything about the fight before hand except perhaps the outcome. 

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #78 on: April 14, 2008, 06:15:24 PM »
I agree with what many of you guys had to say about finding a "fun fight". I believe that we all find fun in different aspects of this game. There is no right or wrong way to approach it.

For example, I've seen Guppy (aka Corky) take off in his 38G heading toward a furball. He doesn't climb out past 500ft before he levels. I remember thinking to myself that he's nuts if he thinks he's going to live. But that's the way he likes to challenge himself; Taking a high eny and rarely used plane into some of the biggest fights in the MA. I sense he likes to be the underdog and overcoming the odds against him. I can totally relate to that style of thinking.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #79 on: April 14, 2008, 07:15:43 PM »
It's short-hand for even fights, whether that's Urchin in a 3:1, or two random pilots in a DA style duel, or any permutation of the variables where the pilots are pretty much the deciding factor. 

3v1 fights are always a hoot. We run 3v1 clinics in the TA from time to time... Learning to fight a mob is a challenge, but great fun.

After a wingman clinic I dueled 7-man squad (in F4Us) with a P-38G. That was blast.. In a seven on one, you don't even think about getting shot up, you just wade in a whack as many as possible.

Is it in bad taste to say that I got all of them?  :o

Seriously, any fight where the outcome is the result of skill is entertaining. Winning isn't as important as participating and having fun.

In the MA, I look for incoming hordes and head out to tear them to shreds.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2008, 12:02:58 AM »
Because some of us like unknown factor of coming upon a 1v1 instead of 'setting' it up.  Who are you fighting?  Are they good, bad, what?  You don't know what plane you'll be up against, or whether you will be at a disadvantage or not until right before it starts.  These unknowns are what can make it even more exciting rather then knowing exactly everything about the fight before hand except perhaps the outcome. 

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another night of runners(our buddy again) and ho'rs, and alt monkeys in MW.....know what i've been noticing though?
most of the really hi  flyers are W guys comming to MW. no wonder we can't find any good fights in MW anymore....and i know i'm gonna get flamed for this, but it sucks....if i'm at 7k, i'm too low and get picked bu an FW that could outrun a blackbird......i go to 10k, still too low....go to 15, still too low......20 or so, and STILL too low.  WTF????? do this many people in LW REALLY have this much time to go that high? the last time i was in LW, i remember furballs on the deck, but i'm guessing not anymore.........and the majority of the ones doing the picking, ho'ing, etc, are also the ones ya see in here complaining about it. it's almost looking like it might be time to go find another hobby i guess. this USED to be fun.....till abusive people(i use that word loosely) started comming in here with their verbal diahreaha.

anyway, that's tonight's rant..........

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2008, 12:44:45 AM »
3v1 fights are always a hoot. We run 3v1 clinics in the TA from time to time... Learning to fight a mob is a challenge, but great fun.

After a wingman clinic I dueled 7-man squad (in F4Us) with a P-38G. That was blast.. In a seven on one, you don't even think about getting shot up, you just wade in a whack as many as possible.

Is it in bad taste to say that I got all of them?  :o

Seriously, any fight where the outcome is the result of skill is entertaining. Winning isn't as important as participating and having fun.

In the MA, I look for incoming hordes and head out to tear them to shreds.

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I'm going to have to try that, next time you guys run that setup in the TA.  Sounds like a lot of fun :)
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2008, 02:51:50 PM »
Your assumption that anyone that doesn't care about losing isn't trying to win is false. Since winning or losing in the MA has no meaning , in a real sense, why on earth should anyone care? Frankly, anyone seriously concerned with the outcome of a totally virtual 'fight' probably SHOULD spending his time watching TV.  :devil

This game has no meaning in a real sense?  It could be argued that any competitive game or sport has real meaning.  Winning any particular game obviously doesn't matter, but what it teaches you about individual and team effort does, as does what it teaches you about socially accepted behavior following the win or loss.  Games and sports also develop physical and/or mental accuity.  (Some more than others, and the effects aren't always positive). The list could go on.  In that sense, games and sports do have meaning.  And it's a much deeper meaning than what meets the eye.

Why do people play/participate in games and sports at all?  Why do people (and animals) compete?  If you think it's just for fun, you need to re-think things.  We often allow the entertainment value to conceal the real reasons and values in question.  If you want to argue that it's just for entertainment, consider this-  WHY are games and sports entertaining?  And why are they entertaining for spectators as well as participants?

Life is a competition.  Games and sports simulate facets of real life.  How you apply yourself in a simulation is a representation of how you perform in real life. 

My intent has never been to discredit the methods employed by Guppy/Corky, Mensa, or the others.  Their methods aren't much different from mine.  Read between the lines and you'll see I'm actually supporting them, which makes some of the responses frankly hilarious.  My intent was to show the vocabulary used to describe their methods was incorrect.  Guppy (and others) stated he enjoys the challenge of disadvantaged fights, whether he wins or loses.  I never for a moment doubted that.  He enjoys trying to come out ahead (get a few kills).  Trying to prevail isn't "not caring".  If he truly "didn't care" he wouldn't be "trying".  He's also implied (as have others) that he doesn't care for the styles of others whom he see's as "not trying".  That is implied when complaints are registered against those who "won't try to beat me" and choose to run away instead, or otherwise avoid fighting (avoid the attempt to "win").  Corky says more or less "Come on! Put forth some effort, take some risk!  Follow my example!".  Which is different from "I don't care".  Corky does care, which is what (IMO) makes him worth fighting.  And he wants his opponents to care as well, maybe not about whether they win or lose, but about putting forth their best effort.  We need more Corkys in the game, whether they prefer to fight on the deck or in the clouds.  He's putting forth an effort to beat his opponent rather than avoid the fight.  Saying he "doesn't care" would be mis-representing the truth.  I've seen him fight, and he's putting forth far too much effort to "not care".

So NoBaddy, I'm not disagreeing with you when you say "Frankly, anyone seriously concerned with the outcome of a totally virtual 'fight'..."

You're right they shouldn't care about the "outcome", but rather the effort put forth that lead to that outcome. You'll never put forth your best effort if you "don't care".  And if someone "doesn't care", they'll never put forth enough effort to be much of an opponent.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2008, 03:29:09 PM »
Well said MtnMan. Unfortunately many of the folks who should read that generally require the Readers Digest version.  :aok

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2008, 03:41:26 PM »
 :salute Shuffler

Maybe some need a shorter/simpler version, but if they take the time to sort through it hopefully they'll get the real message.

It's also worth noting that the guy who avoids the fight may be putting his best effort forth to accomplish a different goal.  Leveling the town, for example.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #85 on: April 15, 2008, 03:57:02 PM »
Hopefully he brought torps to level the town...  :rofl
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #86 on: April 15, 2008, 04:02:07 PM »
:salute Shuffler

Maybe some need a shorter/simpler version, but if they take the time to sort through it hopefully they'll get the real message.

It's also worth noting that the guy who avoids the fight may be putting his best effort forth to accomplish a different goal.  Leveling the town, for example.

MtnMan

those guys are generally in bombers though, aren't they? the ones i think that say that are simply making excuses...

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #87 on: April 15, 2008, 04:12:19 PM »
Personally, I am sick of having to climb to 10k + just to be on an even playing field with most of the guys in here.

And most of the time its alot higher than that.

Don't really care about the historical accuracy of it.

It seems no matter how high you climb, they are always higher. And if they are not, they will run away until they are. Fun Fun Fun!

And yet all you hear from guys on these BBs is that they can never find a "good Fight"

Its kinda a catch 22. If you don,t get high,you die. So consequently everyone keeps flying higher and higher(regardess of their motives)

And guess what?

They are usually flying so high they don't see the opportunity for a good fight fly right underneath them at 5-6k.



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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #88 on: April 15, 2008, 04:24:48 PM »
We as a squad play mostly in the DA, and have grown almost to capacity. We are TA's Aerofighters, Inc. and most DA'ers dont like us because we actually stick together. With that said, most of us like the good fights. By virtue of sticking together though, we get perceived as bangers. If you'd like a 1v1 or 2v2, ask for one. Someone in the DA will oblige. I know I will, especially if you mention this thread. I love a good 1v1 or even a 1v2 in the canyons. Anyways, if you feel ganged by TA's, it might be best to check the map for a few reds that aren't all bunched up, and then pick your battles. Otherwise, ask for a duel, and a TA will oblige you.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #89 on: April 15, 2008, 04:32:57 PM »
We as a squad play mostly in the DA, and have grown almost to capacity. We are TA's Aerofighters, Inc. and most DA'ers dont like us because we actually stick together. With that said, most of us like the good fights. By virtue of sticking together though, we get perceived as bangers. If you'd like a 1v1 or 2v2, ask for one. Someone in the DA will oblige. I know I will, especially if you mention this thread. I love a good 1v1 or even a 1v2 in the canyons. Anyways, if you feel ganged by TA's, it might be best to check the map for a few reds that aren't all bunched up, and then pick your battles. Otherwise, ask for a duel, and a TA will oblige you.

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