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Offline mtnman

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #120 on: April 16, 2008, 11:39:04 PM »


BTW, for the record....I don't care if I'm right or wrong...I just want a good argument.  :devil
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NoBaddy, we agree again! 

I find discussing facets of the game like this to be as stimulating as playing at times.  Trying to convey thoughts about why we like the game, or don't, or what's good about it, or what we think needs to be improved can be awful tough.  Many of us agree on many things, but through the (our) limits of text we seem to find ourselves arguing over things we would often find we see eye-to-eye on had we just 10 minutes of in-person contact.

This is just one example.  Sick as I may be, I actually enjoy the challenge of transmitting my thoughts in a manner that effectively gets my points across to people I may never meet.  It can be as challenging, frustrating, and rewarding as going into a 5v1 situation on the deck in a P38G!

Arguing on the BBS (if constructive) can be as fun as flying the cartoon planes!  (Well, almost, hehe!)

I welcome your challenges!  It makes me rethink, revise, and refine the ideas we're discussing.  This particualr argument is (in my eyes) more about how we describe our motivations in this particular aspect, and less about our differing opinions.

It's all good sir, and all fun!  :salute

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #121 on: April 17, 2008, 02:36:28 AM »
What is fun for one person is not necessarily seen the same way by someone else. There seems to be an effort to convince everyone to fight in one manner, the one that suits those loudest thoughout the forums. For me, being new, getting to, fighting, and trying to get home after you're no longer able to contribute to the fight is a large challenge. I take it that if you are bingo, winchester, or damaged you are supposed to hang around so that others can get credit for you. Why should players have to play only one way? Right now I do not use kill/death ratio as a measure of my progress (it would be, and is, ludicrous - in my opinion only), I have to use a sorty landed /death, capture. For others, it is capturing fields, or camping runways with Wirbles, or what have you. To each their own.

I will try to extend once I am unable to continue a fight or way overmatched (usually unsuccesfully). This has nothing to do with anything other than gaining experience. Evading the enemy is still a part of warfare and gameplay as far as I am concerned, and a great tool for bettering ACM. Upping and facing death each time without benefit is not something to look forward to, getting meaningful experience does not come from doing everything recklessly.

I am serious about learning to be a better pilot and enjoying the game, getting home is sometimes a bigger challenge than getting my one weekly kill. I see planes disappear when I get in the area and I am disappointed, but someone usually replaces them. When I am able to hold my own with vets then I will be more than happy to 'not care' as the learning process will be winding down (though never over). There will always be players of varying degrees of skill and game knowledge, I enjoy the respect and comraderie of all of them that you can find here for the most part, but those who are unable to be respectful of others detracts from the game and experience. Demanding others play your way is identical to those who rant and rave, no matter how sweet you make it sound.

This repeated derision towards those who play for one side is tiresome as well. If you don't like it, fine, we know already. Instead of railing against it, provide constructive suggestions to enhance game play. It is not about a chess piece as is always added as some form of put-down to any post such as these. The sides could have been called Blue, Red and Green; UAE, UK, and Nigeria; Dragons, Panthers and Power Puffs. They are all lables, for a team. There is nothing wrong with those who wish to play as/for a team. You don't see the local sports leagues letting players change teams at will. Celebrate you have this option. They could just as easily assign you to a side by averaging rank or something and split people who usually fly together up. If you're in a squad you are playing as a team, just at a smaller level is the only difference. Should we get rid of squads or just make it so you change squad each time you fly? If you want a challenge, then fly solo against large dar bars, no one is asking you to stop.

There are three types of players on this subject, those who change often, those who don't, and those who change by tours. Ok, what is the big deal if others wish to play in an alternate manner? It doesn't affect the way you want to play. If you desire to only fight for the underdogs, you have what you want, if everyone changed to the same team as you you wouldn't be the underdog anymore. Lets move on to some real issues like being civil, debugging the game, and getting Widewing riled up :D. :salute
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #122 on: April 17, 2008, 12:47:06 PM »
mtnman...

Well, for me, you place a little too much value on what others say (and do). I hope it won't diminish things for you the next time we meet...but, winning and losing really doesn't mean much for me here. After 17+ years of doing this, I am most happy with a 5 or 10 minute suspension of disbelief...those come with a really good fight....win or lose. :)

Other folks motivations within the game rarely effect me. I would certainly never allow someone else's motivation to diminish my pleasure....poop on 'em...it's all about harvesting da dweebs. :D

In the end, it's all about <insert ID here>'s entertainment.  :rock


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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #123 on: April 17, 2008, 06:10:38 PM »
What is fun for one person is not necessarily seen the same way by someone else. There seems to be an effort to convince everyone to fight in one manner, the one that suits those loudest thoughout the forums. For me, being new, getting to, fighting, and trying to get home after you're no longer able to contribute to the fight is a large challenge. I take it that if you are bingo, winchester, or damaged you are supposed to hang around so that others can get credit for you. Why should players have to play only one way? Right now I do not use kill/death ratio as a measure of my progress (it would be, and is, ludicrous - in my opinion only), I have to use a sorty landed /death, capture. For others, it is capturing fields, or camping runways with Wirbles, or what have you. To each their own.



Who said you should play one way?  And yeah lots of us stick around when we're shot up and keep fighting.  It's a choice.  It's the same as when someone up high spots a shot up bird or one that's ditching and kills it.  I lost both engines the other night and was so low and slow that I survived the crash.  I then told them I was sitting there.  1 guy augered going for my wreck and 3 guys took shots at it before I 'died'.  It was quite silly :)

Lots of guys keep fighting when they're smoking or missing parts.  Again, it's not real war, so  why not take the challenge of seeing how long you can survive?  Jeez, I don't remember the last fight I was in where I wasn't shot up and smoking.  It's become a standard expectation for me.  If I land intact, folks wonder what I've done wrong :)

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #124 on: April 17, 2008, 07:26:18 PM »
Who said you should play one way?  And yeah lots of us stick around when we're shot up and keep fighting.  It's a choice.  It's the same as when someone up high spots a shot up bird or one that's ditching and kills it.  I lost both engines the other night and was so low and slow that I survived the crash.  I then told them I was sitting there.  1 guy augered going for my wreck and 3 guys took shots at it before I 'died'.  It was quite silly :)

Lots of guys keep fighting when they're smoking or missing parts.  Again, it's not real war, so  why not take the challenge of seeing how long you can survive?  Jeez, I don't remember the last fight I was in where I wasn't shot up and smoking.  It's become a standard expectation for me.  If I land intact, folks wonder what I've done wrong :)

It's all for the fun of it.

It's all good. Just seems that some posts come across that way. I feel ya, have had several incidents like yours.  :salute
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #125 on: April 17, 2008, 09:53:16 PM »
fun to me is what i had against you and oldman a couple nights ago in MW.......2-1 where u were in the flight of 2.......neither one of ya tried anything like ho'ing or naything like that....was just about co-alt too......i misjudged you though, as i thought you had extended far enough out to be no problem as your wingie was low enough on e to let me get him...it was a fun fight, and i DON'T care that i lost that fight....as for slowing down and flying straight when you lose the advantage...there's no fun in that...tyring to re-gain the advantage is still fun..or just making it harder for the other guy to get ya in my case....the problem lately though is all the really hi flyers......fights used to be 3k to 6k in MW......but c'mon.....i ALMOST didn't climb to the 14k that we met at because the fight at the base was on the deck.....but i did anyway, and there, lo and behold are a pair of hurri2's up there with me....had i only gone in at the originally planned 5k, i'd have never made it to any fight....and there were a BUNCH higher than 14k.....some over 20k. why? even the bombers don't normally fly that high in there....i mean sometimes when i wanna relax, i climb out from a rearward base and listne to the drone of the engines, and read the 200 for amusement....and lately participate in the 200 comedy show.......but the guys that jump into the furballs, or the 3-1's with a disadvantage, i think truely don't care, as lone as they have fun...where as the guys at 15-20k, bnz'ing......well......they obviously do care, otherwise they'd join in the melee down on the deck.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #126 on: April 17, 2008, 10:00:13 PM »
Hey Lat, Thats what the DA is for.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #127 on: April 17, 2008, 10:18:19 PM »
Cap1,

Sorry about a late reply.
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oldman22 and myself wing together very often. We have a blast and work extremely well together.
Also when NB is a rook I enjoy flying his wing as well.



well, i think i may need to start changing countries, and winging with you guys when i'm(that is if you'll have me) so i can learn somehting.....i think i've never shot you down....and only times i've ever gotten oldman was when i caught him already in a fight with someone else...i think the worst i've ever done to nb was to mess up his paintjob as he picked off my buffs one night....but i DO know that i could learn a LOT flying with you guys....and don't worry bout the late reply.......i only wanted you guys to know i htought that was a blast that night......and it taught me to keep better trakc of the cons i "think" are no factor :aok

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #128 on: April 17, 2008, 10:45:44 PM »
well, i think i may need to start changing countries, and winging with you guys when i'm(that is if you'll have me) so i can learn something.....

Cap...

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #129 on: April 17, 2008, 11:33:46 PM »
Hey Lat, Thats what the DA is for.

Everytime I go to the DA I'm usually either on the side with fewest people and have to end up fighting 6 guys at once every sortie, or I'm on the side with the most people there is a 4-1 advantage on that side and I never get a decent fight in. To me it feels like the DA is just turning into a smaller version of the MA.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #130 on: April 18, 2008, 12:19:43 AM »
well, i think i may need to start changing countries, and winging with you guys when i'm(that is if you'll have me) so i can learn somehting.....i think i've never shot you down....and only times i've ever gotten oldman was when i caught him already in a fight with someone else...i think the worst i've ever done to nb was to mess up his paintjob as he picked off my buffs one night....but i DO know that i could learn a LOT flying with you guys....and don't worry bout the late reply.......i only wanted you guys to know i htought that was a blast that night......and it taught me to keep better trakc of the cons i "think" are no factor :aok

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Anytime Sir.....
Look us up, your more than welcome to join in.
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Anything we can do to help ya out.

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #131 on: April 18, 2008, 07:22:23 AM »
Anytime Sir.....
Look us up, your more than welcome to join in.
Also anytime you see us on and you want to go DA or TA just PM.
Anything we can do to help ya out.

Are you CAP1 in game as well?

nosir....ingame, i'm 1LTCAP(you probably saw me stoking the flame a couple nights ago on 200, as i think i had a certian someone who doesn't like dying going :D)

i shall though,,,,,i don't think i'll have time to be on before sunday though.....slim chance of being on tonight(friday)i hope.

thanks!
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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #132 on: April 18, 2008, 10:56:41 AM »
DA is for 1 on 1's
MA anything goes.

Thats how it is, I feel your pain :)

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #133 on: April 18, 2008, 02:09:06 PM »
Fun is sometimes difficult to find, but it's out there still.  :cool:

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Re: Fun Fights Extinct?
« Reply #134 on: April 18, 2008, 05:40:35 PM »
Well the other day a base of ours was being furballed.  I upped a P40 and got 4 kills from BnZers running out of speed attempting to get too many kills in one pass :rock  To me that was a fun fight as I am still a newb.  Im not sure what one means by a fun fight.  Every time I get with someone who wants a fun fight they are usually so much better than me, all I do is die.  So not too much fun.  Maybe the BnZrs etc are newbs tired of getting their butts handed to them?

I dont think of your post as a  :cry at all.  I think you have a great point.