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Offline Mr No Name

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Re: Ace vs. Ace encounters in WWII
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2008, 04:26:31 PM »
Awesome thread, thanks!
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Re: Ace vs. Ace encounters in WWII
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2008, 11:51:01 PM »
Stocky Edwards 18-25 victories kills  Otto Schultz 50 victories
"Meanwhile, Otto Schultz attacked Wally Conrad wounding him and putting his engine out of commission. Wally crash landed and leapt out of his dead Hurricane when Schultz made his first strafing run, then soared back up to come around for another. At this time Edwards spotted Schultz coming up from his dive with his three squadron mates high above watching the fun. He was about half a mile away and angled his Kittyhawk slightly to intercept the Messerschmitt. Schultz came out of his second dive about 300 yds. in front of Edwards at a angle of 60 degrees. Eddie gave Schultz's 109 a long burst from his machine guns, hitting it solidly in the fuselage. The Messerschmitt thundered into the ground killing the German ace immediately. Edwards was gone as quickly as he had appeared on the scene, but not before Conrad got a look at the call letters of his Kittyhawk. Upon landing back at Gambut 2 Eddie didn't claim the kill of Schultz's Me-109 as he hadn't seen Conrad or his Hurricane and knew that two unsubstantiated claims from a new pilot would not be accepted. He claimed only "one probable Me-109 at low level", and so got the Squadron's revenge for the loss of many pilots. The loss of Otto Schultz was a severe blow to JG-27, he could not easily be replaced with another pilot so experienced."

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Re: Ace vs. Ace encounters in WWII
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2008, 04:42:05 PM »
A rough way to start a war.

Robert S. Johnson, USAAF, (28 Victories). Ergon Mayers, LW, (102 Victories).

One of the 56th's worst setbacks occurred on June 26, 1943, when 48 P-47Cs left a forward operating base at RAF Manston late in the afternoon to provide escort for B-17 Flying Fortress bombers returning from a mission against Villacoublay airfield in the Paris suburbs. As the P-47s approached the rendezvous point near Forges-les-Eaux, they were jumped from above and behind by 16 Focke-Wulf FW 190s of II Gruppe, JG 26. The first pass scattered the Thunderbolts, and Johnson's aircraft, flying at the rear of the 61st Squadron's formation, was seriously damaged by a 20mm shell that exploded in his cockpit and ruptured his hydraulic system. Burned and blinded by hydraulic fluid, Johnson elected to bail out but could not open his shattered canopy.

After disengaging from the fight and re-orienting himself, Johnson dove for the Channel but was intercepted by a single Fw 190. Unable to fight back, he maneuvered while under a series of attacks, and although sustaining further heavy damage, managed to survive until the German ran out of ammunition, at which point it turned back. This latter opponent has never been identified, but Johnson could have been one of three victories claimed that day by the commander of III/JG 2, Oberst Ergon Mayer. After landing, Johnson tried to count the bullet holes in his airplane, but when he passed 200, including twenty-one 20-mm cannon shell impacts, without even moving around the plane, he stopped.

While Johnson made it back to crashland at Manston, damaging his fighter beyond economical repair, four other pilots of the 56th FG were killed in action. A fifth, able to extend only one of his plane's landing gear struts, had to bail out over the English Channel and was rescued north of Yarmouth. Five other Thunderbolts suffered battle damage. Johnson suffered shrapnel wounds and minor burns to his face, hands, and legs, and was awarded the Purple Heart. He resumed flying missions on July 1.

I read Johnson's Book Thunderbolt, good stuff. This is a Wikipedia excert on this incident that occured early in Johnson's tour. Johnson ended his tour with 28 confirmed aerial victories and returned home.

Ergon Mayers' final score stood at 102, when he was shot down by a P-47 Thunderbolt and killed near Montmedy in a Focke-Wolfe FW 190 A-6 (W.Nr. 470 468). He was posthumously decorated with the Swords to the Knight's Cross.

In An Ace of the Eighth by Norman "Bud" Fortier, the author states that Mayer was shot down by Walter Gresham of the 358th FS. This claim was made based on gun camera footage and recollections of Mayer's wingman, who was forced to bail out during the action.

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Re: Ace vs. Ace encounters in WWII
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2008, 04:51:52 PM »
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Robert S. Johnson, USAAF, (28 Victories). Ergon Mayers, LW, (102 Victories).

There is also a great movie put out by MysticPuma.  If you google it, you can still find it on the net.

Great thread!
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Re: Ace vs. Ace encounters in WWII
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2008, 05:05:28 PM »
was that the sortie where he attacked a whole squadron? 1v15 or something crazy :huh
He got 6 of those warhawks.  The group that got jumped reported being outnumbered.  I guess with marseille, they were! :aok

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Re: Ace vs. Ace encounters in WWII
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2008, 05:23:52 PM »
Boleslaw (Mike) Gladych: 61st FS, 56th FG, 14 Kills  vs.  Georg Peter Eder: Stab. II/JG 1, 78 Kills.

"In the spring of 1943, during a heated battle near the town of Lille, France, Gladych downed one enemy fighter. But soon after, an FW 190 scored damaging hits on the "Spitfire". Although severely shot up, Gladych's aircraft somehow remained flying. The German pilot flew close to him, waved his wings and disengaged. Gladych noticed the clearly visible number "13" on the fuselage of the "gentelman's" FW 190!"

"Gladych's next run-in with the call-code "13" took place on 8 March 1944. On this day American bombers flew to Berlin. In combat with attacking FW 190s, Gladych claimed one. But soon he was left alone with dwindling supplies of both ammo and fuel in his P-47 HV-M "Pengie II", facing another two enemy aircraft. The two Germans, one of them with call-code "13", held their fire and told Gladych to land on the nearby Vechta airfield. The Polish pilot went down, dropped his landing gear and prepared to land. When he was over airfield he suddenly opened fire with his remaining ammunition. Responding intensly, the flak gunners accidently hit the escorting Focke-Wulfs. Gladych gave full throttle and escaped. When he crossed the coast of the English Channel his P-47 ran out of fuel, giving him no choice but to bail out. For that mission he was awarded the Silver Star."

"In 1950 Gladych was in Frankfurt, Germany. He accidentally encountered a meeting of the "Gemeinschaft der Ehemailigen Jagdflieger der Luftwaffe". Asked by his wartime adversaries of his war memories, he told the story about the mysterious fighter with the code "13". As he ended his story, he noticed one of the attending German pilots was really touched. It was the pilot of this "13" in all three cases. His name is Georg Peter Eder, an ace with 78 victories who was himself shot down 17 times!"

Just a note about this story, I cannot confirm that Gladych and Eder actually met in combat.  But it's an interesting story if they did.  

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Re: Ace vs. Ace encounters in WWII
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2008, 07:11:54 PM »
Boleslaw (Mike) Gladych: 61st FS, 56th FG, 14 Kills  vs.  Georg Peter Eder: Stab. II/JG 1, 78 Kills.


Robert Johnson talks about him, he was a single-minded mad-man who charged recklessly head first into battle. Sounds like a heck of a guy.
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