Is a real hammerhead possible?

[DCCBOSS]

A hammer head does not result in a tail slide.

Tail slides with most real aircraft are very very bad things to try. Most planes are not built to have air flowing backwards over them, things like flaps bending and control surface rods bending do to reversed airflow are real possibilities.

A properly done Hammer head does not start at Zero airspeed. Rudder kick happens when still traveling up and Zero Airspeed happens when about Perpendicular to the world, I.E. 1 wing down.

Normally almost full Opposite aileron is applied as you push the rudder, and more forward stick is also applied as the plane wants to sorta of twist on its back. And learn the manuver to the left on American planes, Last year when I was flying a Yak in the Ukraine, forgot the prop went backwards, and they go much slower against the slip stream. Still can not believe the pilot not knowing me put me in an inverted spin.

Rudder kick speed is fairly critical and varies between planes, when I do them for real ( and i have done a lot of hammer heads) you only have about a 5 knot window for the Hammer head to work, to fast and the plane sorta just hangs with the rudder over for a while, then the nose comes down, to little speed and you do not have Roll control of the plane and it normally ends up on its back.

With the most AH planes start by doing them at 50% throttle or less. Full throttle you will have to do them at to high of speed and the top of the arc will not have the correct speed.

I also find them harder to do in a sim vs real life do to feel and the visual you get. But even in a real plane it took me about 20 tries to do one with out ending on my back or nose up in the exit. There is a lot of elevator inputs to keep the plane slicing instead of flopping one way or the other.

HiTech

I sorry you are right a hammerhead is not a tail slide, but I do fly RC up to 35% of scale mainly airobatic planes and I always use throttle just as I start stalling and let the rudder and propwash do the work, ofcourse you have to use all your other control inputs to maintane the proper alignment before this can happen.

[RATTFINK]

I went into the TA and tried all my fav. planes and found that the 38J (I didn't try the G or L) does a really nice hammerhead.

First, I went vert almost to the point of a stall, engine off, kicking rudder & the hammer was a thing of beauty.

Second, I did everything in the first try up to the point of stalling; but this time I turned one engine off while one was on, kicked rudder and almost did a vertical cartwheel. LMFAO

[Tr1gg22]

here are the best 2 of 5 that i just tried. they are maybe not perfect. they are almost as good as Patty Wagstaff's demonstration in MS flightsimulator from years back - heh. It is very hard to eliminate horizontal travel aswell as vertical during the turn. throttle work might clean that up. notice no use of flaps. the second one has a poor exit.
 
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/almost.ahf



I think Murdr was telling me the other day he got a nice dual throttle hammer head on film, i hope he will post it, his previous p38 film was the best example of an AH2 HH i have seen.

thoughs were pretty nice.  can u do them in any other plane?

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

Are you kidding me!?
THATS a hammer head!?

I call that a J-hook, and you can do it in every single plane in this game.
Some do it better than others, and twin engine planes need to have engine's managed while proceeding thru the turn.



All in all, its very simple, its just knowing at what speed your current plane will start* to stall at, already have your nose moving just as it get to that point, and when stall hits your engine weight will RIP that nose down, power up and off/down you go.
Sadly double engines planes can do hammer heads very easly, if you have a double control stick like i do for Rpm.

The thing that stops people from doing the hammer head is keeping full or higher engine power at the end of the stall, they reach stall then try to get the nose to fall left or right, by then its too late no air speed over wings, the tourque kicks in and you spin down. Realy its just a directionaly controlled stall.

PS. the P39 does AWESOME hammer heads with easy with or without stalling.
Something about slappin' that rudder hard and the momentum carrying the engine/tail right over your head, sure the comin' down's hell, but the flip is quick and effective.

[kilz]

I know I have done them in the RV, P51,SPIT, KI,A6M5, not sure I have had any It could not be done, some are much more difficult than others.

Also can you describe exactly what you think a Hammer head is?

agreed on P51 Spit and RV but have not tried the KI and A6M5 yet

[Ack-Ack]

and twin engine planes need to have engine's managed while proceeding thru the turn.

I've never had to "manage" my engines when doing a hammerhead, there is no need to.


ack-ack

[Solar10]

If you had gone to the last convention (or heard the recording), you'd know HiTech doesn't play AH.

Well it's his $15 a month... oh no wait!

[mechanic]

thoughs were pretty nice.  can u do them in any other plane?

hey Tr1gg. this was from AvA the other night.

http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/P38hmmr.ahf  - FILM 1 min


P38 deffending ki84 hammer head in combat. provides a winning shot from complete disadvantage. Venom infact denies me a kill shot and went on to win after a 3 minute fight but that would make the file alot bigger. It was a very good fight after this clip.
 

[Tr1gg22]

well ty for the film very nice..

[Ghosth]

D3a1 is my favorite, although p38 & Rv8 are almost as good.
Learning when to time your kick when the airspeed is in the sweet spot is the hard part.
That and  control  it so you don't get 90 or more degrees of  rotation or spiral as the nose drops.
Torque likes to spin the bird around on you as your coming over the top.

[jdbecks]

I found this video which is quite usefull, this has the written explaination and the video to go with it

http://www.fightercombat.com/pages/vid_hammerhead.html

[thndregg]

« Reply #54 on: April 20, 2008

[Masherbrum]

I know I have done them in the RV, P51,SPIT, KI,A6M5, not sure I have had any It could not be done, some are much more difficult than others.

Also can you describe exactly what you think a Hammer head is?

Ditto.   

When the Canyon Fights would go on in the Original Pizza, I did them OFTEN in a Spit I and V.  As well as the La7.   

[waystin2]

[jdbecks]

Im guess im the only one who uses the search function then