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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #60 on: April 22, 2008, 08:29:47 AM »


IMO, telling someone to "mod this, mod that" is problematic.


That is not at all what I said to Modas.   Like BBB, you are completely distorting what I said to him.   Modas complained about about a single specific control on the gun being difficult to use, and I explained to him that there are much more ergonomic designs available for that control.   I assume that you have heard of ergonomics??   I did not urge him to make lots of mods, or make his Glock like mine.


Modifying barrels is pointless unless for VERY COMPETITIVE shooting.


So you mean that you feel that self-defense is not a very competitive situation where it is most extremely important to win??


I have stock everything with the exception of the Hogue Handall.   I've thought about getting only Night Sights and would ONLY get MMC or Novak sights for it.   


That means that you yourself have made an ergonomic modification to your gun as well.   For you to then criticize me for making an ergonomic change to the slide stop on my Glock is rather two-faced of you.   For we have both made minor ergonomic mods to our guns. 


IMO, Lasers are a crutch.       


But you just said that you yourself have considered installing night sights to help improve your aim at night.   How is that then not a crutch, while a Laser is?   They both have the exact same goal, of making it easier for a person to sight the weapon in poor light.  You seem to definitely have a most arbitrary double standard.


They also give you a "false sense of security".    If you have a handgun for personal defense and NEED to have a laser, that laser won't find the intruder wearing black, navy blue clothes ANY EASIER than someone without it.


Lighting to see your target is a totally different issue, that is unrelated to the use of a laser sight.   As I mentioned to Modas, one advantage that the Crimson Trace has is that you can also hang a flashlight off the pistol's accessory rail, and use the two together.   I personally, however, prefer to use a separate flashlight, which I also keep handy next to my Glock.

My Glock is only my home protection handgun.   My current carry handgun is now a S&W .357.   But I have made just as many mods to it, and even had a gunsmith refinish it, to improve its looks.   So it actually looks even more customized.

However, I will certainly be sure to never post any photos of it here.

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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #61 on: April 22, 2008, 09:12:39 AM »
Adding night sites is not the same as adding a laser. Night sights require exactly the same aiming as regular sights... they're just easier to see. A laser moves your aim from the front sight to looking for a red dot well away from the gun. The fact you'd think the two were even remotely the same speaks volumes.

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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2008, 10:34:02 AM »

One negative to gun modifications is the added liability of the modification.  District Attorneys and Prosecutors see modifications to a firearm used in self defense as a "looking for trouble" motive to a shooting.  The CCW instructors and the lawyers they brought in to lecture recommended using only factory shipped versions of a firearm.  Making *any* aftermarket modifications to your firearm will increase the likelyhood of prosecution in a self defense shooting scenerio.  At the top of the list was trigger mods followed by aiming devices such as lasers.

Best recommendation:  Practice, practice, practice with your factory "stock" Glock and don't rely on the after market mods to improve your shooting

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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2008, 11:07:24 AM »
One negative to gun modifications is the added liability of the modification.  District Attorneys and Prosecutors see modifications to a firearm used in self defense as a "looking for trouble" motive to a shooting.  The CCW instructors and the lawyers they brought in to lecture recommended using only factory shipped versions of a firearm.  Making *any* aftermarket modifications to your firearm will increase the likelyhood of prosecution in a self defense shooting scenerio.  At the top of the list was trigger mods followed by aiming devices such as lasers.

Best recommendation:  Practice, practice, practice with your factory "stock" Glock and don't rely on the after market mods to improve your shooting

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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2008, 11:11:06 AM »
What Glok can't seem to understand is that Glocks are combat pistols. They come from the factory ready to go to war or work on the streets. People complain about little things on the Glocks like the plastic guide rods breaking, so they urge people to go out and by a aluminum one or a titanium one. However in my years and years dealing with Glocks, not only my own but other officers from around the metro Atlanta area I have only seen a handful of guide rods breaking and that was due to the officers failure to fully seat the guide rod after cleaning.

 Glocks have become a very popular firearm. Rightly so in my book. As such there are about as many custom touches you can find out there to "mod" your Glock pistol as you can find to "mod" a 1911 pistol. What the end user of the pistol has to decide is whether or not they want to use the weapon for competition or combat. If carry and defense is their goal, then keep the weapon stock. The weapon was designed from the ground up as a combat pistol. Lots of little touches were made and added to help the weapon adapt to any environment. 

 Here are my reasons for not adding an assload of stuff to my Glock for carry. For the record, I carry a Sig 229 9mm for carry normally. There was a time when I carried the Glock 19 for carry and on occasion I still do.

 Extended magazine releases. The reason these don't belong on a carry gun are simple. Getting in and out of vehicles puts pressure on the holster which can squeeze the weapon. An extended mag release protrudes out from the weapon by a good bit. Getting in and out of a car, standing up or sitting down can cause to you drop your magazine. Now chances are you will hear it hit the floor, but there is always that chance you will not and then you will be carrying around a weapon with one bullet like Barney Fife. This scenario is much more likely with Glocks now drop free mags that pretty much spit the magazine out from the gun, loaded or not if you hit the mag release.

 Extended slide releases. This is pretty simple. I do not use the slide release anyways. Hitting the slide release is a "fine motor skill". In a shooting when you are shaking like a leaf and no amount of cussing yourself telling yourself to pull it together is going to help manipulate those small muscle groups. Instead in training/practice, just reach up and pull the slide back after reloading. Get into the habit of doing this and if you ever have to fire your weapon to save your life, hopefully you will get the bad guy with the first few shots, if not and you find yourself reloading, this action will come naturally to you and under the circumstances will be much easier to perform.

 Grip plugs. The bottom of the Glock's grip is a little hole next to the magazine well. That hole is a thumb hole. It is not a place to snap in a nine dollar piece of plastic or a neat little Glock Armorers tool or any number of OEM stuff out there to place in that hole. It is a simple thumb hole. It is there so that if your weapon is covered in sand, dirt, mud, blood, grit, Dr Pepper..ect and your magazine does not drop free on the reload, you can reach up, and pull the magazine out. Simple as that.

 Lasers. To me lasers are laughable. They really serve no real purpose. In fact at the range when I see someone with one of those little grip lasers or lasers on the rail of their weapon I chuckle to myself. Lasers have to be one of the most bad habit forming pointless devices the gun world has ever seen. This is of course my own opinion, but I bet if you took a pole you would find more than a few agree. The problem with lasers is, they are washed out in the sunlight, at night they are bright as hell, but most likely you can't see the bad guy to aim at. So what do you do? Use a flashlight, which then washes out the laser again. Awesome, at least some people think so. Pointless is the first word I think of.

 Extended barrels. Oh man, where do I start. I can't understand why someone would want to add an extended barrel to a duty weapon. When you could just step up to the next largest size and gain a few extra rounds of ammo with out much of a weight change. In fact it most likely would weigh less then one of them lasers added to a gun.

 I can go on and on about this, but truthfully I am bored with it. Glok, you continue ohh and ahh-ing over Race Glocks and adding pointless pieces of crap to a combat ready pistol. I will continue taking out of focus photos and taking my wife out to dinner regularly with all the money I save not having to buy a bunch of pointless crap to hang on my pistol to look high speed. Cheers.

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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2008, 12:53:40 PM »
Hey Guys -

Sorry for stepping out of the thread for a while.  My childhood buddy is back on leave from Iraq and we've been whooping it up pretty good since last thursday.  He's been posted over there (downrange as he says) since last June.  We went golfing yesterday and they had to follow us around with heavy equipment to fill in the holes  :rofl

Anyways, I greatly appreciate everyones comments.  I am going to be taking formal training with the same company that built my AR-15, so my "issue" with the size of the slide release may very well become a non-issue once I get some proper guidance. 

There are tons of add-ons out there (i've been researching quite a bit since posting the original thread) that a person can get to customize to their individual preference.  But,  I think the biggest underlying theme I've gotten here is PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE.  I've got almost 3k thru my AR already since January, and another 2K sitting in the basement ready for the range, so getting out to practice for me isn't going to be an issue.    Convincing the wife to practice with me will be the issue.

It looks like the thread was getting a little "heated" so I have to put the obligatory "Can't we all just get along???"    ;)

BBBB, I answered your PM.  Thank Bud!!

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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #66 on: April 22, 2008, 01:02:37 PM »
Modas give your buddy a hi 5 from all of us here on AH And a big Thanks for his service!
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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #67 on: April 22, 2008, 03:30:23 PM »
That is not at all what I said to Modas.   Like BBB, you are completely distorting what I said to him.   Modas complained about about a single specific control on the gun being difficult to use, and I explained to him that there are much more ergonomic designs available for that control.   I assume that you have heard of ergonomics??   I did not urge him to make lots of mods, or make his Glock like mine.


So you mean that you feel that self-defense is not a very competitive situation where it is most extremely important to win??


That means that you yourself have made an ergonomic modification to your gun as well.   For you to then criticize me for making an ergonomic change to the slide stop on my Glock is rather two-faced of you.   For we have both made minor ergonomic mods to our guns. 


But you just said that you yourself have considered installing night sights to help improve your aim at night.   How is that then not a crutch, while a Laser is?   They both have the exact same goal, of making it easier for a person to sight the weapon in poor light.  You seem to definitely have a most arbitrary double standard.


Lighting to see your target is a totally different issue, that is unrelated to the use of a laser sight.   As I mentioned to Modas, one advantage that the Crimson Trace has is that you can also hang a flashlight off the pistol's accessory rail, and use the two together.   I personally, however, prefer to use a separate flashlight, which I also keep handy next to my Glock.

My Glock is only my home protection handgun.   My current carry handgun is now a S&W .357.   But I have made just as many mods to it, and even had a gunsmith refinish it, to improve its looks.   So it actually looks even more customized.

However, I will certainly be sure to never post any photos of it here.
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No, adding extended mag releases, slide releases, etc are in a WHOLE OTHER REALM of Mods than a Hogue Handall.   Nice try though.   

Night sights are in a WHOLE OTHER REALM of mods than Lasers. 

Go ahead, wake up in the middle of the night, use that flashlight.   

Competition shooting and shooting in self defense are in a WHOLE OTHER REALM of handgun use. 

You need to either go through some training of proper usage of firearms or find someone that actually knows what they are talking about.    Because if you're passing this crap off onto your friends, there are that many "uninformed" handgun owners. 

Again, if you bought a Glock and need to add extended releases, you bought the wrong tool for the job.   You should have looked at something else. 
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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #68 on: April 22, 2008, 11:08:23 PM »
As early repliers suggested, get a Springfield XD.  If you're concerned about Glock mods already, you might be more suited to another gun.  Reminds me of a sleek Ruger .22 rifle I tried to like in spite of its lousy magazine release and lack of last shot bolt lock.  Happiness was trading it on a Marlin 60.  It's all about compatibility, what suits you best. 

 
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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2008, 07:03:40 AM »
Comparing the XD to the Glock is like comparing apples and oranges. The guy said he was not going to mod his Glock, it is the guy by the name of Glok that feels the need to hang hundreds of dollars of after market garbage off his Glock pistol.

 Modas, has seen the light. Training, training and more training. The Glock is a fine combat/defensive weapon. The XD I have, hasn't proven to me that it is extreme anything and it is most defiantly not extreme duty worthy (a premature slide lock issue is one of the many issues I have with the XD). That is why mine has a nice spot on the bottom shelf of my safe, right next to a Lorcin 380 someone gave me years ago.

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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2008, 10:44:13 AM »
Comparing the XD to the Glock is like comparing apples and oranges. The guy said he was not going to mod his Glock, it is the guy by the name of Glok that feels the need to hang hundreds of dollars of after market garbage off his Glock pistol.

 Modas, has seen the light. Training, training and more training. The Glock is a fine combat/defensive weapon. The XD I have, hasn't proven to me that it is extreme anything and it is most defiantly not extreme duty worthy (a premature slide lock issue is one of the many issues I have with the XD). That is why mine has a nice spot on the bottom shelf of my safe, right next to a Lorcin 380 someone gave me years ago.



I've never had an issue with mine... ever (XD45 tactical). You sure it's the gun and not the ammo.
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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2008, 11:02:55 AM »
"Drank the glock-aid"

 You need a round of anti-biotics for that, or a springfield XD.

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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2008, 11:10:11 AM »
I have an XD, never had a problem with it. I like my Kimber better to be honest but it's a bit large for CCW.

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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2008, 11:36:39 AM »
XD subcompact 9, M&P 4" .40, Glock 17, Taurus PT1911.

Haven't had a problem with any of them. I like them all for different things. M&P the most accurate.
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Re: Drank the glock-aid
« Reply #74 on: April 23, 2008, 12:00:04 PM »
I have a XD in .40, the premature slide lock issue is a pistol problem and not an ammo problem. We have had guys from all over the area buy the XD, a number of the other officers have had the same issue I have. This seems to be more of an issue in the .40 S&W models.

 There is a fix out there for this issue. However my XD locks up every 800 to 1000 rounds or so. Which is why I haven't bothered to fix it. What bothers me about the problem is Springfield's refusal to admit that there is in fact a problem and a simple change in the slide lock would fix the issue without the end user having to make the fix for themselves.

 As for the ammo I shot though it, it only had duty and training ammo though it. The training ammo is Atlanta Arms and Ammo 180gr TCJ Major Velocity. Our duty ammo is Winchester Ranger 40 S&W T-Series 180gr. The premature slide lock has happened in both types of ammo and from some of the other guys I have spoken to, the malfunction has happened with a number of other ammo types.

 The Springfield's seem like they are a good pistol. From what I see you either love them or hate them. I am on the fence about them. Until there is a factory fix for an issue that is very real and very much an issue with the weapon and not the ammo, it will stay at the bottom of my gun safe.

Here is an article about a fix for the premature slide lock problem with the .40s.
 http://www.xd-hs2000.com/longsliderelease.html