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Offline SmokinLoon

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Spread Out the ENY/OBJ Scores?
« on: June 05, 2008, 10:32:59 AM »
Has HTC considered spreading out the ENY/OBJ scores a bit more?  Me thinks some planes are given too much and others too few.  Regarding bombers, all the big boys (Lancs, B17, B24, Ju88) seem to get used far more often than the mid to light bombers for mostly ord capability, no doubt.  But I would like to think we'd see more TBM, SBD, B5N, D3A1, Mossi, Boston, Ki-67, Ju 87, etc if the ENY/OBJ scores were more in their favor.  I'd be willing to take more of the med and light bombers if the scoring was more balanced.

Also, if HTC were to make the ENY better for the fighter planes lacking in preformace I bet we'd see more Spit I, P40E, 109-E, etc coming over the horizon.  :)     

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Re: Spread Out the ENY/OBJ Scores?
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 11:29:22 AM »
I'm not objecting your wish, but I hardly think it would have the result you are hoping for.

I doubt that there are many players that do choose their bomber because of OBJ. I would even go so far as to claim that the meaning of the OBJ value is one of the most unknown things in game ;)

As to fighters, I also think further increase of ENY would get more players into that planes, especially the current ENY 40 rides like Spit I or 109E. I don't believe there will be a considerable number of pilots jumping from P51D or Spit XVI to a Hurri I if they get 10 or 15 perks instead of the current 8 for a N1K kill.
In regards to perk farming, it seems like players are looking for some "weak points" in the ENY system, highly capable planes with a reasonable high ENY - 190A8, 109G2 (ENY 30) or mid-range like Spit IX, P38's or even 109K4 (all 20-25 ENY).
The few players that do fly Spit I or 109E usually don't fly them for perks - either they have no clue, or they are doing it for the fun alone (and many of that kind of pilots are actually quite good and don't need that perks anyway).
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Re: Spread Out the ENY/OBJ Scores?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2008, 02:43:10 PM »
Actually, the best thing they could do for the light bombers is to take away the rarely used option for American fighters to carry 1,000lb bombs.

And the Mossie isn't a bomber!   :P
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Re: Spread Out the ENY/OBJ Scores?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2008, 02:44:31 PM »

I doubt that there are many players that do choose their bomber because of OBJ. I would even go so far as to claim that the meaning of the OBJ value is one of the most unknown things in game ;)
 

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Re: Spread Out the ENY/OBJ Scores?
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2008, 03:15:08 PM »
It determines the number of perks you get for killing a building
Example: F4U-1C has 5 OBJ, so it is not a good building killer if you want perks, but is very effective against them. On the other hand, a B5N has 40 OBJ, making it a perk farmer when it comes to buildings, but suffers from a small bomb load and no forward firing guns to use when the player runs out of bombs. The T-34 has a 20 OBJ, compared to most other tanks' 10. Therefore, a considerable increase in perks is noted when one attacks a strat target with a T-34 then, say, a Panzer.
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Re: Spread Out the ENY/OBJ Scores?
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2008, 07:06:49 PM »

And the Mossie isn't a bomber!   :P


Quote true.  I added it into the "med bomber" group simply because the BF MkVI can be and often is used as a dive bomber.

Stop and think how often the Bf110 (later version) gets used and the Mossi gets left on the shelf in strike attacks vs ground targets?  The Bf110 with its dual 30mm and dual 20mm cannons can rape buildings over three times faster than a Mossi with its four 20mm.  Add in the 1200 lbs of bombs (two 500kg) and 4 massive WGr21 rockets and the Mossi cant match the ground pounding capability.  But yet, they have the same OBJ perk modifier?  Look at how much each gets used.  See my point? 

Ditto for the big bombers vs the med and lt bombers. 

My point being is that there isnt enough of a gap for those of us who pay attention to the modifiers to warrent trying something slightly different than the norm.
   
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Re: Spread Out the ENY/OBJ Scores?
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2008, 07:17:16 PM »
Add in the 1200 lbs of bombs (two 500kg) and 4 massive WGr21 rockets and the Mossi cant match the ground pounding capability.  But yet, they have the same OBJ perk modifier?  Look at how much each gets used.  See my point?

The usage is purely a result of "efficiency", not OBJ. You could boost the OBJ as far as you want, people would still choose the 110.
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Re: Spread Out the ENY/OBJ Scores?
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2008, 07:26:12 PM »
People won't choose a different aircraft for town killing...usually if the 110G2 isn't available (ENY problems, for example) they will throw in either a 190A8 or N1K2 instead. Rarely you'll see people replace a 110 with a Mossie unless they have to, and when they have to, because they don't realize the capabilities of it. Think about it...4 20mm's, 4 303's, 4 500lb bombs, or 2 500lb bombs and 8 rockets. Even with a load aboard it still hauls at just under 325MPH on the deck, without WEP engaged. In conclusion...you won't take the NOE base takers away from their 110s unless there is a need for it. And the Mossie would be 3rd or 4th on their replacement list...I like seeing a Mossie flying around as I know that most noobs don't fly them, so I know it'll be somewhat a good fight.
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