This is NOT the MA Gentlemen (all read)

[ghostdancer]

Accidental friendly fire happens, especially when escorting bombers. With that much lead flying about it is easy to ping up a friend and then later he crashes, ditches, or dies but the computer determines you did the most damage to him (possibly the guy who really did is dead now so another enemy then finishes him off with a few bullets but you hit him with more earlier in the frame).

All of these situations are fine. It is the intentional attacking and killing of other pilots on your side in FSO that is being talked about.

There are squads that my own have rivalries in the MA with. However, here when you are on the same side we put those aside and work as a team. This is a team event where one side pits itself against the other and where the results of team determine the outcome. Helping to kill somebody but not getting the credit for the kill is important here since your side gets credit even though you don't. It is a very different mentality that is needed to be flown with in here than in the MA (couple new people on Friday didn't seem to understand that is a one life event .. another major difference between FSO and the MA).

So the intentional killing of one of the pilots on your own side is sort of like an football player (on the offensive team) taking up one of his own linemen helping the defense to get through and sack the quarterback. Makes no sense and is reprehensible.

[trax1]

I thought that it was just people goofing off and shooting each other that you guys were talking about, I had no idea that some people were intentionally shooting friendlies just because they had some issue with them.  If you ask me, if someone does something like that they don't even deserve a warning, they should just get banned from FSO's.

[wrongwayric]

Yep there was some sad conduct going on this frame by a few people. To prepare for the FSO dump your MA mentality and rivalry. The job in here is to follow the mission plan, kill the enemy in air to air or gv to gv combat and bomb things. Those are all pretty much the basics. Your job is to live make it back and land or know when to get out and try to get a bail or skillful ditch. Your life counts more for the whole score of everyone on your side. Numbers of enemy killed is offset by numbers of friendlies lost so i try to save as many friendlies as i can. I may not like a certain person or squad but if he's flying on my side i'll do everything i can to keep him alive and accomplish the mission or task we are given.
AKsleepy

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From what I understand nobody went down, just minor damage.

i did i made it back to my carier and then fried gives me a pilot wound

[Banshee7]

See Rules #5, #6

[Squire]

There are a lot of MA players who do FSO as well that do not realise that friendly fire is a real concern, and they spray at enemy e/a with friendlies too close. I have gotten my share of hits from gun crazy n00bsters spraying like mad at every fighter in the sky. Its not always deliberate fratricide, but its still annoying.

[Sled]

Banshee7, I did not start this thread so you would have a place to start "poking" at people.

[ROC]

Poking at people is what started this mess.  It would be a Very good idea to not consider yourself innocent there Banshee7.  This would be an awfully good time for you to stand down as well. 

I wonder why some people insist on putting large targets on their backs.  Do you guys think Only the things You claim are looked at?  What, we don't see films from others?    

Ya, right.

By the way, please don't interpret this as an opportunity to discuss.  It isn't.  Knock it off or leave. Again, Sled is taking care of the FSO, I'm looking at events across the board. End of subject.

[spammer]

LOL,

 i think the friendly fire is just a calculated effort to achieve points.

spammer

[Snork]

Shooting friendlies is just dumb and wrong but I would not be too quick to judge "Pistol Pete". You've just been bombing and strafiing a Japanese field on the Japanese big island and you find yourself in a chute dropping into the middle of that very same Japanese airbase. You've seen or at least heard of the horrific treatment POW's have been subjected to so you decide to go out in a blaze of glory and, just maybe, save some other Navy pilots from dying. Seems historically accurate to me. If it's against the rules, then lets not do it, but we gotta know the rules first. This is not as as intuitively wrong as some seem to think.

Disclaimer: A perpetrator of a pistol incident is a friend of mine.

[ROC]

Gentlemen, Please pay attention to what we are saying.  We are quite clear as to the difference between friendly fire in a furball and some nitwit saddling up on a friendly, opening fire after being called off and My having to get into observation mode to witness it.

Just read the warnings, if it doesn't apply to you then don't worry about it.

[AKKaz]

Lately, I have been filming the our squads FSO events. This event was the first time I had any call to go back and look at a few things that may or may not have happened.  Embarrassed to admit it, but been flying quite awhile and this was the first time I really sat down and used the veiwer for films. I was surprised on how much I can see, and be able to go right into the cockpit of another in the area.

Opened my eyes up to how I can jump to another area, be that other person, and see it as if I was the one flying. Now I fully understand how ROC and crew can pick things out of the dark like they do.  With so many people filming, I don't think theres anything that goes on that can't be seen in many different ways, from every advantage point possible.  No problem seeing the intent of ones actions with full clarity.

Definitely an eye-opener.

[Stampf]

I was just joking about this very topic with a rival CO after frame #1.  Too see it actually happening is disturbing indeed.  FSO is not the place for some people, until they learn to check their bags at the door.  2 hours a week, of good behavior doesn't seem like to much to ask in my opinion. I hope there are no second chances concerning fragging.

[2fly]

  Sled and Roc.

  No mercy and no questions or excuses...offenders should be ejected for first offense. 

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if a squadmember gets shot down on perpose by a squadmate the squad should get the first crack at the man