Hurricane MkIIB

[Arlo]

On this one I vote doable (doesn't seem ... from a non-coder perspective ... something that would involve a great deal of effort compared to a whole new model of anything) and desireable (for Hurri fans).

[Lusche]

(4) Why not the 40 mm version produced most? Could just be another loadout for IID.

There was only one 40mm version. There never was any Hurricane with 4x 40mm guns.
800 was tthe total number of IID's produced - all of them with two 40mm guns.

[angelsandair]

12 .303s...what a concept! Even if you can't shoot someone down, the continuous pinging sound will make them disco in disgust!!!

You could put this in easy enough, just slight mod to the current Hurri, give it an ENY of about 20, knock the HurriIIc ENY down to about 8, without really taking much away from anyone.

The above post is not to be taken excessively seriously, although if they really added the thing, I wouldn't hate it.

No for the IIC eny adjustment to 8. My reason is because, the only thing a hurri 2c can do is HO and turn. Nothing else. If he on your tail, just dive down going about 450-500, make a really hard pull, and most of the times, the 2c's wings will break off. Something I learned. 

[zorstorer]

There was only one 40mm version. There never was any Hurricane with 4x 40mm guns.
800 was tthe total number of IID's produced - all of them with two 40mm guns.

Impakt I think this was the part he was laughing about.

[Impakt]

I suppose my primary source is incorrect. It states: "The Hurricane Mark IIDs (of which approximately 800 were built) were armed with four Vickers or Rolls Royce 40mm Cannons . . . "  See, p. 69 paragraph 1 of The Complete Book Of World War II Combat Aircraft White Star Publishers, 1988. Is this source incorrect? If so what source says so?? Thanks.


I know IIB not IID----was just pointing out a IID in which primary source says it had 4 x 40mm (that is, in my original mention I was pointing out how cool 4 x 40 would be ---not paying attention to letter "B"  or "D" ---but point stands that is minutiae).

[Furball]

There was only one 40mm version. There never was any Hurricane with 4x 40mm guns.
800 was tthe total number of IID's produced - all of them with two 40mm guns.

The Hurricane IV could also carry 40mm in detachable pods, or 8 x Rocket projectiles, or bombs...
http://www.vectorsite.net/avhurr.html#m3

Mark IVs were fitted with a Merlin 24 or 27 engine, optimized for hot-climate operation and with 1,208 kW (1,620 HP), driving a three-blade propeller. They were all fitted with a new wing that could carry two bombs, eight "60-pounder" rockets, or 40-millimeter cannon as needed, rationalizing production. The stores could be "mixed and matched" to a large degree, for example with a cannon under one wing; a bomb under the other; and four RPs, two under each wing. About 794 were built Mark IVs, plus conversions from other marks.

Rocket armament had been evaluated on Hurricanes beginning in early 1942. The Hurricane Mark IV was the first rocket-armed aircraft to be used in action by the Western Allies, and the rocket armament gave it a tremendous punch, being generally more effective than the light bombs carried by earlier Hurribombers. The Hurricane paved the way for the tactical use of rocket-firing Hawker Typhoons, which would largely take over the "trade" from the Hurricanes.

[Impakt]

A cursory internet search reveals I am VERY probably wrong on the 4x 40mms. My previous post was simply to show that I don't post numbers of AC produced without some source----apparently my book (which I got because the color plates of the AC are, IMO, outstanding) has some gross errors in it. It was translated from the Italian---perhaps some editor or translator confused the 4 x 20mm IIc with the 40mm version. Anyway, it seems I stand corrected and I will drum up multiple sources next time.

[Bruv119]

yes to the hurri b!

Didn't the soviets get some with the lend lease agreement?   

[Lusche]

A cursory internet search reveals I am VERY probably wrong on the 4x 40mms. My previous post was simply to show that I don't post numbers of AC produced without some source----apparently my book (which I got because the color plates of the AC are, IMO, outstanding) has some gross errors in it. It was translated from the Italian---perhaps some editor or translator confused the 4 x 20mm IIc with the 40mm version. Anyway, it seems I stand corrected and I will drum up multiple sources next time.

I learned the hard way to be very cautious with all that "complete WWII airplane books" out there. Most of them (and defenitely all the ones I have of that kind ) seem to be compiled in quite a careless manner with far too often not being very informative at all.

(If some knows a really good one, tell me!)

[Pannono]

Zekes, they're lighter and don't have the carburator handicap, and will damage faster with 2x20mm than 8x303.

zekes have crap armor so the 303s will do good damage

[valdals]

i am a big fan of the hurricane 1. i got 200 kills in one 9 months ago. a hurri 2 with 12 guns will be a little better. in the hurri 1 i make sure i get close before firing. but i have hit accurately at 800 in one.

[lasersailor184]

First off, the 40mm is an AP shell.  It is not HE.  If you can land HE shells in the turret of a Wirbil, or Osti you'd be much better.  Besides a sniper shot, the 40 will only penetrate the turret from the outside.

The HurriD is one of my favorite rides.  And to be honest, I don't go for AAA vehicles at all.  With the slow nature of the HurriD and no notable strength of frame, the reward isn't worth the risk.  Especially to get off a shot you have to be aiming right for the AAA's gun.



As for your source, I am positive they got the IIC and IID mixed up, at least in gun loadouts.  4 20mms and 2 40mm's on similar planes is easy to get confused.

[RoGenT]

IN 

Nothing like .303 death to discourage some vulchers

[BnZ]

Here is another good reason to add the MkIIB:

The HurriIIC can be incredibly annoying in its ability to defend itself by simply turning on a dime and offering a HO every time a less maneuverable fighter comes close. The MkIIB could be used instead of the C in scenarios/special events etc, it has a respectable level of firepower, but not so much that the "honk it around and HO" defense would be viable.

[moot]

A 12x303 HO at convergence would still be as good as a killshot..