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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #435 on: April 27, 2008, 07:30:24 PM »
the humanzee has been proven to be false but the subject chimp was uncannily human looking. 

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The ancestors of humans and chimpanzees may have interbred and exchanged significant numbers of genes after the initial split between the species, scientists report in the May 17 online edition of Nature.

The findings could help rethink mainstream thought during the origin of species "by suggesting there can be a quite of bit of exchange as species emerge and diverge," James Mallet at University College London, who did not participate in this study, told The Scientist.

The researchers compared the genomes of humans, chimps, gorillas, and more distantly related primates such as orangutans and macaques, yielding roughly 20 million base pairs of aligned sequence. They focused not on the average level of genetic divergence between humans and their relatives, which can reveal approximately when each species emerged, but on genetic divergence across the human genome, to see when sequences diverged.

However, my question is still valid.  If such an animal is possible, is it both?
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #436 on: April 27, 2008, 07:48:40 PM »
I have a question on this. How many chemical variations did these animals try before they got the "right" stuff that they wanted to keep?  Or did they get it right the first time?  In order for them to have survived it must have been the first time, I guess. Wonder how they knew which concoction would work?  I think God made them that way from the get go, sounds far better to me :).

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #437 on: April 27, 2008, 07:53:35 PM »
Stein had a very nice segment on Sunday Morning this morning.

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #438 on: April 27, 2008, 08:02:54 PM »
any of you breeders ever change a dog into something other than another dog?
Just in case you didn't know this, it would take a very long time to do this. :aok

Science is more political now than at any time in it's history... more perverted.   ever more shrill and fantastic visions of looming disaster by flood, fire or earthquake or disease and famine.. all using data that is incomplete or made up and all to fill the coffers of their "research facilities"  the end justifies the means...  Karl Marxs.. meet science..
What journals are you reading?  LMAO!  Stop being a moron.


Take a class at the local college.. you see profs that are so out of touch with reality that they are laughable.
Name one that you have studied under or actually seen that was "so out of touch with reality that they are laughable".  Or is this just a false statement.  There are many scientists out there that aren't worth their weight in dung, but continuously in this thread you have lumped all of science into this pot.  Was Florey out of touch?  What about Salk, or Sabin?  Maybe Copernicus, or Galileo?  Most "out there" scientists are also viewed "out there" by the scientific community. :aok

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #439 on: April 27, 2008, 08:11:36 PM »
However, my question is still valid.  If such an animal is possible, is it both?

 a hybrid between humans and apes would be highly unlikely and the question is thusly invalid as apes have one more chromosome than we humans do.  even though chromosomal disparity has produced hybrides in equines and felines it does seem to be a barrier in simians.  

during the 1920s soviet biologist ilya lvanov performed a series of experiments attempting to produce a chuman but was never able to produce a preganancy.

in the 1970s researchers discovered that human sperm could indeed penetrate the outer membranes of a gibbon egg which amongst the apes is the farthest away genetically from humans.  human sperm would not attach to any other egg of any other subhominid primate, including the bonobo which is our closest relative genetically speaking.

it is rumored that in nazi germany josef mengele attempted to impregnate jewish women with chimpazee sperm through artificial insemination with no successful pregnancy occuring.

the God you don't believe in doesn't want you monkeying around.

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #440 on: April 27, 2008, 08:14:02 PM »
Facts take a back seat to feelings.

By the way, that quote of Lewontin you posted doesn't say what you say it does.  And Moray hasn't insulted you in that post.  He posted facts, showed how far off you are from those facts, and wrote what he suggested as remedy to being so far off.

 It may very well not say that, was quoting what I read on Richard Dawkins. net:

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Comment #67102 by devolved on September 2, 2007 at 12:29 am


1. Some scientists start with the belief that only the natural world exists.


No scientist does that.


How could you possibly make such an assertion about the beliefs of all scientists? It's patently wrong.

For example look at this admission:

'We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.
It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door."

Source: Richard Lewontin, Billions and billions of demons, The New York Review, p. 31, 9 January 1997.

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #441 on: April 27, 2008, 10:55:36 PM »
While it's difficult for me to get my hands around the concept of timelessness it's not hard for me to allow the creator of time/space existence beyond his creation. How might a such being imagine mankind? That imagining may or may not be the creation but I suspect it could be. I don't believe in Darwin's evolution but I don't disbelieve the theory either. I do believe that if we are eternal creatures we will become more than we are today in the eons to come.   
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #442 on: April 27, 2008, 11:07:40 PM »
I have seen no evidence that supports the idea of an afterlife. It's a nice thought and probably a great comfort to those that are afraid to die, but I have no illusions of a life after death. As the electro-chemical machine I am when my life-processes seize to function I will seize to exist as a sentient being. My body will break down into elemental compounds and return to the Earth were they will be the building blocks of new life. Many small creatures and plant life will live of my remains and in that regard there is an afterlife, but the entity I call "me" will be gone forever ... only remembered by those who love me.
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #443 on: April 27, 2008, 11:14:56 PM »
Good god, this thread is still going?

Has anybody changed their mind?

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #444 on: April 27, 2008, 11:18:10 PM »
Good god, this thread is still going?

Has anybody changed their mind?

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #445 on: April 27, 2008, 11:35:29 PM »
I've changed my mind.. I used to think that people who confused religion and science were harmless.. Not anymore.  ID/Creationists and Dawkins "militant atheists" are both rocking the boat of smooth scientific progress.
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #446 on: April 27, 2008, 11:37:55 PM »
I have seen no evidence that supports the idea of an afterlife. It's a nice thought and probably a great comfort to those that are afraid to die, but I have no illusions of a life after death. As the electro-chemical machine I am when my life-processes seize to function I will seize to exist as a sentient being. My body will break down into elemental compounds and return to the Earth were they will be the building blocks of new life. Many small creatures and plant life will live of my remains and in that regard there is an afterlife, but the entity I call "me" will be gone forever ... only remembered by those who love me.

I can honestly say I don't fear death. I feel sadness at the prospect of my life, your life, and everyone who has ever lived or will live coming to a final end without reverberation. Do I believe in more simply to avoid the sadness and prospect of eternal darkness? Perhaps. I must consider that possibility. However, I have felt a presence I believe is God in a way that defies a natural explanation. For me it is more real than anything else I have ever experienced. It is that communion and not the fear of death that sustains my faith.
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #447 on: April 28, 2008, 06:20:26 AM »
I feel sadness at the prospect of my life, your life, and everyone who has ever lived or will live coming to a final end without reverberation. Do I believe in more simply to avoid the sadness and prospect of eternal darkness?

Don't feel sad for me...I feel a sadness for anyone who wishes to be a slave in some non-existant afterlife..Where the entrance exam is based on your belief,rather than your actions...I have no time for the credulous..And to spend eternity with the like..?

Sounds like Hell to me.
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #448 on: April 28, 2008, 07:16:05 AM »
I can honestly say I don't fear death. I feel sadness at the prospect of my life, your life, and everyone who has ever lived or will live coming to a final end without reverberation. Do I believe in more simply to avoid the sadness and prospect of eternal darkness? Perhaps. I must consider that possibility. However, I have felt a presence I believe is God in a way that defies a natural explanation. For me it is more real than anything else I have ever experienced. It is that communion and not the fear of death that sustains my faith.

that about covers it for me as well Iron, very well stated.

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #449 on: April 28, 2008, 07:31:36 AM »
These threads make me sad.

So many intelligent people choosing to ignore the obvious in favor of the paranormal. I think this makes 8lb. 4 oz. baby Jesus cry.