Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists

[SirLoin]

I think this makes 8lb. 4 oz. baby Jesus cry.

Some of the responses of the faithfull are enough to make a cat laugh.

[storch]

These threads make me sad.

So many intelligent people choosing to ignore the obvious in favor of the paranormal. I think this makes 8lb. 4 oz. baby Jesus cry.

do you mean like the brilliant minds who conceptualized and thusly brought this marvelous republic whose freedoms we enjoy and take for granted into being?

the difference between us and all other fauna is that the creator placed in us a little of him, a little itty bitty teensy weensy strike of a creative spark.  we are created in his image and he is a creative spirit so we are a carbon based life form but with the spirit of something other dimensional.  in time we will all know fully, it's just some of you will vey sorry for being so utterly wrong, that makes me sad.

[SkyRock]

do you mean like the brilliant minds who conceptualized and thusly brought this marvelous republic whose freedoms we enjoy and take for granted into being?

the difference between us and all other fauna is that the creator placed in us a little of him, a little itty bitty teensy weensy strike of a creative spark.  we are created in his image and he is a creative spirit so we are a carbon based life form but with the spirit of something other dimensional.  in time we will all know fully, it's just some of you will vey sorry for being so utterly wrong, that makes me sad.

Do you think non-believers(after they die) are burning in hell for eternity, or are their souls just incinerated instantly never to exist again?

[moot]

do you mean like the brilliant minds who conceptualized and thusly brought this marvelous republic whose freedoms we enjoy and take for granted into being?

That'd be an example of brass tacks social engineering and realistic ethics, not superstitious bias for the paranormal.

the creator placed in us a little of him, a little itty bitty teensy weensy strike of a creative spark

Evidence?

that makes me sad.

Don't you think it's strange that someone enlightened to the infinite love and sublimeness of the holy spirit and his creation would be anything but exhalted to experience every single second of existence?  Don't you think you're selling Him short by being sad when you could be gushing with hope and resolve rather than sadness and regret?

[Donzo]

Don't you think it's strange that someone enlightened to the infinite love and sublimeness of the holy spirit and his creation would be anything but exhalted to experience every single second of existence?  Don't you think you're selling Him short by being sad when you could be gushing with hope and resolve rather than sadness and regret?

Not being able to reach the unreachable would make anyone sad.

[Furious]

If there is a "designer", he isn't a very good one.

[Holden McGroin]

Not being able to reach the unreachable would make anyone sad.

By definition, the unreachable is unreachable and therefore cannot be reached.

Therefore even though I am smiling, I am sad.

[Donzo]

If there is a "designer", he isn't a very good one.

Hey Furious, thanks for the contribution to the discussion!  It took me a while to read all that you posted (with ALL those examples and such) but I think I got what you were trying to say.

[AKIron]

By definition, the unreachable is unreachable and therefore cannot be reached.

Therefore even though I am smiling, I am sad.

I think CS Lweis said it well and to paraphrase: the gates of hell truly are locked but it is from the inside.

What exactly it means to reject the presence of God and thus be in outer darkness I can't know but I do believe that unrepentent pride and selfishness will lead you there. I also won't pretend to know that this life is the only shot you get or all that it takes to live in the presence of God. I think it may be a process wherein this life is but a small stepping stone though I do think the choices we make here are important. If you reject God now will you feel any differently should you find yourself still aware and thinking after you cross the threshold of death?  

[Donzo]

By definition, the unreachable is unreachable and therefore cannot be reached.

Therefore even though I am smiling, I am sad.

I think your analogy should read "Therefore even though I am smiling, I am frowning".  The way it's written could indicate that you are bipolar.

[Holden McGroin]

I think your analogy should read "Therefore even though I am smiling, I am frowning".  The way it's written could indicate that you are bipolar.

analogy: 1: inference that if two or more things agree with one another in some respects they will probably agree in others.

I was offering not an analogy, but a definition by which I could point out a use of faulty logic.

[SkyRock]

Hey Furious, thanks for the contribution to the discussion!  It took me a while to read all that you posted (with ALL those examples and such) but I think I got what you were trying to say.

you never answered my questions.

[midnight Target]

I think CS Lweis said it well and to paraphrase: the gates of hell truly are locked but it is from the inside.

What exactly it means to reject the presence of God and thus be in outer darkness I can't know but I do believe that unrepentent pride and selfishness will lead you there. I also won't pretend to know that this life is the only shot you get or all that it takes to live in the presence of God. I think it may be a process wherein this life is but a small stepping stone though I do think the choices we make here are important. If you reject God now will you feel any differently should you find yourself still aware and thinking after you cross the threshold of death?  

And I feel that if we reject reason and intellect we are rejecting the only gifts we have as humans that separate us from the other mammals. If there is a God, he would be sorely disappointed.

[Donzo]

you never answered my questions.

I must have missed the questions directly to me....

[AKIron]

And I feel that if we reject reason and intellect we are rejecting the only gifts we have as humans that separate us from the other mammals. If there is a God, he would be sorely disappointed.

Assuming there is a creator of all he must be disappointed when we reject reason and intellect. He created these afterall did he not? For these gifts to be squandered on exalting one's self instead of leading us to the knowledge of him surely causes him pain.