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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #540 on: April 30, 2008, 07:42:36 AM »
Science is not about disproving the existence of God. Quite simply science cannot disprove the existence of God.
You're confusing the term science with scientists.

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #541 on: April 30, 2008, 07:42:59 AM »
What does the earth being flat have to do with genisis again? That's a few times I've seen it in this thread. I would guess you believe that only the christians thought the world was flat.

Of course not. I don't fault the anonymous authors of Genesis for not knowing the earth was a sphere. Nobody did at the time. But as science moved forward we realized the earth wasn't flat. And it's not 10,000 years old. Rabbits aren't ruminants. There was no global flood. The different languages didn't all originate at the same time. And the extant species, including human beings, did not originate separately in their present forms.

These are facts regardless of whether it's more distressing for you to give up the religious dogma then it is to deal with the cognitive dissonance of accepting some of these facts but denying others.

What I have a serious problem with is the very notion that this all evolved from a single cell that magically appeared in a pond that magically appeared on a planet that magically appeared in a universe that magically popped into existance. Those things are being tought as fact these days.

Once again you're confusing abiogenesis with evolution. Evolution does not deal with the origin of life or the origin of the universe. Although there are several ideas about these occurred, there is no clear consensus on the details.

But more to the point for our discussion, you don't seem to have a problem at all accepting how things could magically pop into existence, because that's exactly what ID presumes. God magically created a universe, life, and so on, not to mention you have to accept that God himself somehow popped magically into being.

Claiming God did it, doesn't solve anything. It just moves the question back one level. If the universe was designed, who designed the designer?
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #542 on: April 30, 2008, 08:05:50 AM »
well I finally got around to reading on the stuff myelo posted regading observances in evolution.

I read up on ted mosquins observances in fireweeds and as I suspected it is the result of tampering in the laboratory while doing research to curb the rapid spread of this aggressive species but as with many attempts along this line they could not test for speciation because the manipulated product was sterile as it was a hybrid. 

bzzzzzzz another failure and actually more fuel for the ID camp. on to the cichlids I supose, mayr's work was with african cichlids correct?
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #543 on: June 30, 2008, 11:15:18 PM »
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #544 on: July 01, 2008, 12:42:26 AM »
So this doesn't get locked.. http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html  & of course 300+ comments on that same article's page :lol
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #545 on: July 01, 2008, 02:42:57 AM »
So this doesn't get locked.. http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html  & of course 300+ comments on that same article's page :lol
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #546 on: July 01, 2008, 03:53:39 AM »
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #547 on: July 01, 2008, 07:20:54 AM »
wow this looks bad for us creationists.  about as bad as miller-urey did in 1953.  I got a chuckle out the response from the whiney toned second linky.  I'm going out on a limb here and stating that we will see tampering on some level here as the scrutiny of the dissenters is applied but time will tell.

the litmus test for this raging debate will come when upon the millisecond after your death you find yourself before your creator and needing to settle accounts.  I wonder, will you have your notebook with you?

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #548 on: July 01, 2008, 07:41:46 AM »
Not even close...
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #549 on: July 01, 2008, 07:42:59 AM »
the litmus test for this raging debate will come when upon the millisecond after your death you find yourself before your creator and needing to settle accounts.  I wonder, will you have your notebook with you?

Probably not, since you'll be dead. No brain activity, no account to settle. You won't even know you're dead.

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #550 on: July 01, 2008, 08:45:06 AM »
upon the millisecond after your death you find yourself before your creator and needing to settle accounts.  I wonder, will you have your notebook with you?
I have given this great and deep thought and come to the conclusion that my first move before the Almighty will be to moon him. 
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #551 on: July 01, 2008, 09:17:40 AM »
I have given this great and deep thought and come to the conclusion that my first move before the Almighty will be to moon him. 
Mind posting that on Youtube if you get the chance?  Not sure hell with have internet wi-fi :rofl
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #552 on: July 01, 2008, 12:16:22 PM »
upon the millisecond after your death you find yourself before your creator and needing to settle accounts.  I wonder, will you have your notebook with you?


Oh my Jod --- I plan on sneaking in ... I'm screwed that me and the several hundred thousand souls entering Heaven at the same time will be at the God counter ordering milk shakes and getting judged... I'm hoping he is a forgiving God... Cuz i still laff at that Jesus painting and the 3 guys doing the YMCA thing ..that is still floating around the intardnet.....

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #553 on: July 01, 2008, 01:19:05 PM »
We may all get an opportunity to revise our opinions in this life in the not so distant future. Significant ancient bible prophecy may be fulfilled sooner rather than later. If you see Russia and Iran marching on Israel know that it was foretold over 2500 years ago.
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #554 on: July 01, 2008, 02:16:04 PM »
You're confusing the term science with scientists.

 Science depends on fact; Religion depends on faith.