Author Topic: D9 v. La7 Duel  (Read 4196 times)

Offline SlapShot

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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2008, 05:27:36 PM »
Trust me I got shot down by LA-7 many times in 1 vs 1 tnb. I'm not talking about new players LA-7, but good players. Do you really think an La-7 can take a D9 on the deck given both pilots are good? The answer is it's a very slim chance. In MA if you're low and slow in a 190, you're already in a bad position. I fly to my plane's advantage. If I'm in a zeke you'll see me turn like crazy. If I'm in a K-4 I'll go vertical and play rope n dope.

In this instance the La-7 followed the D9 up, so my option was to go up. If the La-7 break if off do a split S and pull up for another HO then another scenario could happen. What I'm trying to show is one of the few method a D9 can take on an La-7 when both merge w/ the same E.

Notice the fight lasted about 2 min from merged. The La-7 and the D9 were within 1k from each other almost the entire time after merge

Trust me I got shot down by LA-7 many times in 1 vs 1 tnb. I'm not talking about new players LA-7, but good players.

I don't think so ... there aren't that many 'good' players that fly the La-7 regularly these days due to the 'stigma' of flying said plane. What planes were you flying when you died to the La-7 in a 1 v 1 ?

Do you really think an La-7 can take a D9 on the deck given both pilots are good? The answer is it's a very slim chance.

I don't think so ... On the deck, the La-7 is one of the most deadliest planes out there ... if you know how to fly it.

In MA if you're low and slow in a 190, you're already in a bad position.

Some would probably disagree with you on this ... it's not the best place to be in any plane if your opponent(s) aren't in the same situation.

I fly to my plane's advantage.

But do you know ALL it's advantages and can you fly it to ALL it's advantages ?

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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2008, 05:54:14 PM »
Listen ... your the one that said it was a "Duel", and that was the farthest thing from a "Duel" that I have ever seen or experienced.

I completely agree. That was a duel like two old ladies at a stoplight are drag racers....


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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2008, 07:07:31 PM »
i have fought la7 a few times but not in a d9.

i agree that roll rate would have been a more inside the box way of beating it.

now this is a completly different plane but.

i was flying a ki-84 and this guy was in a la7 i had killed one of his buddies and started climbing away when i saw him coming into my rear /left veiw low he was climbing to me 1k out and closing fast. so i figured his energy is high minei s pretty low, im nearly at corner velocity. he's to fast. i started kind of a flat scisors going up at about 25-30 degree angle. and even though he had me dead six to start with i managed to push him all the way out in front. i had flaps out and was shuddering as i broke back right and he passed right infront of me for a beautiful canopy shot.

now when all this was going on i was not thinking. the main thing i was thinking was man hes fast i gota do something. so i started breaking and it worked out that since i was nose high and he was nose high it gave me the advantage of out turning him. of course i was kind of lucky that maybe he was a horrible shot but he never touched me. course the ki is a good turner anyway.

after that i was like oh man i wish i had had film on so i could study exactly what i did and where he screwed up. but all that happened was dependent on his greed for the shot. i could tell he was over eager to kill me.

i dont know how i knew but i also thought that spiral climbing would have been a bad idea there as fast as he was. and if i just started turning he'd maybe break off above me and start bn'z ing on me. i wanted him dead so i could take my plane and cruise home.
was just really happy it worked.
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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2008, 07:13:19 PM »
Well Yenny, using the two examples that you posted here.... if the "duel" was you in the LA against you in the 190, would it still have been a duel? As the pilot who flys his plane to it strenghts, in the LA you would have been buzzing around on the deck waiting for the 190 to burn his E, while as the 190 pilot you would have circled above waiting for the LA to climb the rope to you.





You both would have run out of gas with out ever firring a shot. Doesn't sound like much of a duel.

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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2008, 07:20:44 PM »
Trust me I got shot down by LA-7 many times in 1 vs 1 tnb. I'm not talking about new players LA-7, but good players.

I don't think so ... there aren't that many 'good' players that fly the La-7 regularly these days due to the 'stigma' of flying said plane. What planes were you flying when you died to the La-7 in a 1 v 1 ?

Do you really think an La-7 can take a D9 on the deck given both pilots are good? The answer is it's a very slim chance.

I don't think so ... On the deck, the La-7 is one of the most deadliest planes out there ... if you know how to fly it.

In MA if you're low and slow in a 190, you're already in a bad position.

Some would probably disagree with you on this ... it's not the best place to be in any plane if your opponent(s) aren't in the same situation.

I fly to my plane's advantage.

But do you know ALL it's advantages and can you fly it to ALL it's advantages ?

I have been flying the F6F almost exclusively for over 6 months now and I still and learning what that bad boy can do.

Like I've said "good pilots". Most don't fly the La-7 because of its stigma. However you do occasionally run into really good La-7 pilots that are on air field defensive scramble. The La-7 pilot I went against wasn't the average AH pilot. He knew his stuff, by the time I recorded this we had about an hour and a half of dueling in already in other plane. Which was why I choose the E method on the fight. If it was a regular joe I'd probably TnB on the deck against the La-7.
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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2008, 08:40:46 PM »
It is everyone's choice how to play the game, wee've all heard that one enouh to know by now.
It just seems logical to alot of us that spending so much time doing something really should be some sort of progress and that doesnt happen without being really bad at something for a while.

next tour yenny i would challenge you into flying nothing but spit9 and never above 5,000ft then you come back and tell us who the dweebs are.  :t
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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2008, 08:51:12 PM »
meh =) you won't see me in them ally plane very often.
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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2008, 10:16:48 PM »
what have you got against them?
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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2008, 10:17:48 PM »
I always been a LW fan, so I mainly stick w/ German planes. Once in a great while I'll hope in something else.
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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2008, 10:22:46 PM »
Yenny, I wasn't trying to be harsh with you, just trying to point out that you had other options than the rope.  I'm sure you just aren't aware of them because you don't have enough time in the plane (trust me, after only 4 months you can't).

On the deck in a 190 you are just fine as long as you're at or near corner speed.  That also gives you enough speed to use a short vertical for a reverse, and if worse comes to worse, I have dropped all three notches of flaps to surprise some guys in far better turning planes.

Sure, I bet you have died trying to t'n'b in a 190 but what did you learn from it besides don't do it?  What could you have done?  In every fight theres always at least one moment where, had you done something a little differently, the outcome might have been reversed.

What you missed out on in the DA from the way you played it, was the reason to DA in the first place; to learn everything you can about the plane you're in.  Everyone knows Dora's are fast and that they are one of the better ropers.  Not everyone knows where it's turn limits are, what it's low speed handling is like, how to put it's roll rate to best use, what acm's are effective in it or when to use flaps or rudder among other things.  Learning the things others don't know is how you're going to beat them because they probably already know the obvious.
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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2008, 10:39:15 PM »
ok then fly the D9 at 5000ft for a whole tour.  :D
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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2008, 11:16:07 PM »
ok then fly the D9 at 5000ft for a whole tour.  :D

I bet I'd do better than I have trying to fly Zekes this week  :cry
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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2008, 12:28:58 AM »
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There you go. I darn well know it CAN be done. Still don't recommend it if you have ANY other options...extend, find some friendlies, find some ack, pray to your Gods to strike the La7 driver dead (Might work if your dieties are more responsive than mine...) DA/TA is a great place for pushing the envelope and doing all kinds of insane things. (Hey dude, lets do some 190vZeke turnfights...) In the MA however, never, EVER reward some guy for his plane choice and punish yourself for yours by fighting his fight, if you can possibly avoid it.

BTW, the myth of uniformly brainless La7 drivers gets deader every day. I blame the Il2 game series. Or maybe rap music...

Oh, yeah, I've  ridden with Yenny abit. I think I'm better as a 1v1 D9 guy and could give him a pointer or two, but he has better wingman tactics (the first step is probably being sociable enough to HAVE a wingman) however, and thats where air combat is really fully developed, in our insane multi-bandit enviroment.

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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2008, 01:28:07 AM »
I watched all of the Batfink films. I've watched alot of his films. I've watched a other films showing similar techniques, though never the same insane gunnery skill. My only comment, and I hope this is not taken disrespectfully, is that alot of the ways he gets kills in uneven matchups depends on 1. An almost inhuman skill at gunnery and 2. A puzzling unwillingness of some MA pilots in much-better turning machines to dump excess airspeed, and saddle up so that their turning ability will actually do some good. These are two things which the average pilot can perhaps not depend on 100% of the time.

Which is to say, if I'm in a D9 and see a Spit16 diving my tail with high closure, the first thing I try to do is put the nose down and try to get the speed up to the point where I turn as well as he does...well in excess of 300mph. If he is still closing rapidly, now is the time when I chop the throttle and use the Dora's @#$%@#% E-bleeding trait to hit a barrel-roll and hopefully put him out in front. It works okay when I need it, but I have never, ever, I think, managed to hit the sucker with my snap shot when he shoots out in front, and I sure the heck don't try to follow a superior-energy spit around in a turnfight very long in the .05 seconds it takes him to realize what he's done and start hauling on the pole and swaping ends.

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Re: D9 v. La7 Duel
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2008, 01:30:05 AM »
D9 vs La7 duel? More like a game of chicken, each one decides who should run first.  :devil
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