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Offline LTARGlok

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President Carter: Heroic Peacemaker, or Naive Fool???
« on: April 21, 2008, 10:02:31 PM »
President Carter met a couple of times with Hamas this past week, and says that senior Hamas leaders are now willing to accept Israel's right to live in peace.   But exactly what do their statements really mean?   Carter appears to believe them.   But if the Hamas leaders truly do believe this, then why didn't they make a public statement to this affect, instead of just privately saying things to Carter??   After all, there is not even any public record at this point as to exactly what it is they said.

I fear that Carter may well have been taken advantage of here.   He may mean well, but is he perhaps being used for an evil purpose??

Here is a report about this development:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/976967.html

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Re: Gun Violence Shocks Chicago, Officials Demand More Gun Control
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2008, 10:11:35 PM »
.. me too

Sorry, too late I saw that there was an earlier post about this.   Since I could not delete this message, I changed the subject to something else.

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Re: President Carter: Heroic Peacemaker, or Naive Fool???
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2008, 07:26:59 AM »
odd how the subject in subsequent posts shows the original subject.
Yes I believe Jimmy is being a naive fool. He is being taken advantage of, and I fear the results will be less that stellar.
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Re: President Carter: Heroic Peacemaker, or Naive Fool???
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2008, 07:41:56 AM »
odd how the subject in subsequent posts shows the original subject.
Yes I believe Jimmy is being a naive fool. He is being taken advantage of, and I fear the results will be less that stellar.

Your post and any further posts will not have it, however.   I somehow managed to overlook the other thread that had been started earlier.   And since I did not want to start another thread on the same subject, I changed it to this subject.

I myself have very mixed feelings about Carter.  I think that his heart is in the right place.   But trusting in the word of Hamas would be a big stretch for me.   It seems to me that he is being rather naive in his dealings with them.

I think that Hamas is getting desperate at this point, though, as the Israeli embargo of the Gaza Strip has been taking its toll on the people.   And if folks then realize that their lives have become much worse under the rule of Hamas, then perhaps they will re-consider keeping them in power in Gaza. 

It is really a bad situation, though, as the average citizen in Gaza does not deserve such a life.  And the official Palestinian government has been so corrupt for so very long, that it was no surprise that people turned against them in the election and voted Hamas into power in Gaza.

So much, though, for the notion that simply having democracy will bring reason and peace to the Middle East.

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Re: President Carter: Heroic Peacemaker, or Naive Fool???
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2008, 08:05:49 AM »
this is consistent thinking on his part... he has always been a fool.  He thinks with his emotions and is very stubborn..  since he is a liberal socialist who thinks the end justifies the means.. he is rarely right.

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Re: President Carter: Heroic Peacemaker, or Naive Fool???
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2008, 08:30:58 AM »
Carter is a security problem..... he should go sit on his porch and get out of the way.
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Re: President Carter: Heroic Peacemaker, or Naive Fool???
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2008, 09:04:28 AM »
I really wish the self appointed peacemakers like Carter,Jesse Jackson,etc.,would stay out of our nations foreign policy business.The  Israel situation,Iraq,Iran,and the whole stinking middle east situation is a problem that will never be resolved.I have a simple solution,but it will never happen.I would tell every country that if you hinder or harass the USA in any way,retribution will be quick and painful.We will not invade you...Like grrrr Iraq,but we will use are air power to bomb you into compliance.First couple of countries,North Korea,Iran,etc.,you get the idea.
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Re: President Carter: Heroic Peacemaker, or Naive Fool???
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2008, 10:48:10 AM »
Carter is not a fool. He is a sad fool. He had one of the lousiest presidencies  in recent history and is just trying to do anything to leave a legacy of something other than being an utter failure. He should stick to working with the Habitat for Humanity folks and just pound nails. He has no business and no position to be doing anything in regards to diplomacy for this or any other country.
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Re: President Carter: Heroic Peacemaker, or Naive Fool???
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2008, 10:53:33 AM »
Sadly, he seems to thing the current administration isn't doing enough for peace between Hammas and Isreal.  Carter tried to broker peace with terrorists in the past and he tried again last week.  How can you negotiate with terrorists?  That assumes that terrorists have some sort of hold on honor?  If they did, they woundn't be terrorists!



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Re: President Carter: Heroic Peacemaker, or Naive Fool???
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2008, 12:03:15 PM »
Sadly, he seems to thing the current administration isn't doing enough for peace between Hammas and Isreal.  Carter tried to broker peace with terrorists in the past and he tried again last week.  How can you negotiate with terrorists?  That assumes that terrorists have some sort of hold on honor?  If they did, they woundn't be terrorists!

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Re: President Carter: Heroic Peacemaker, or Naive Fool???
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2008, 12:08:58 PM »
I blame it on the Peanuts...

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Re: President Carter: Heroic Peacemaker, or Naive Fool???
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2008, 12:23:22 PM »
Carter is a traitor.  He gives aid and comfort to our enemies.

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Re: President Carter: Heroic Peacemaker, or Naive Fool???
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2008, 12:50:41 PM »
Y'know what? I think the stiff necks in ALL FOUR PARTIES, in the Middle East, in Washington, and HERE need a swift smack to the back of the head.

Hamas needs to realize that they can't continue to hold out without making concessions, this IS true. But the US, Israel and Fatah need to get it through THEIR thick skulls that like it or not, peace in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza WILL NOT HAPPEN WITHOUT HAMAS' PARTICIPATION. I don't like that reality, either, but this obstinacy has stretched BEYOND the point of ludicrousness. The problem is that the IDEALS, however misguided and twisted we find them, Hamas represents are too well-entrenched among many people there, and that is NOT something that can be erased with tanks and bombs.

It's like the US is playing the parent trying to resolve a squabble between three screaming children, but telling the one that's causing most of the problems that he's excluded from the argument and has to sit in the corner while everyone else decides what to do.

Hamas has, unfortunately, advanced beyond a mere militant organization to a full political faction. Like it or not, they WERE the legally elected representatives chosen by the Palestinian people. I do NOT support their positions and believe that they ALSO need to adapt and be willing to listen, but that is NOT going to happen so long as they're shut out of the process altogether. A DECADE of peace efforts should have made that blatantly obvious by now.

Do I think Carter's mission was successful? I have NO idea, because honestly, so long as no one's willing to even TRY to roll the dice there's no way in hell of knowing. Do I think he was right? I have NO idea because no one's willing to put it to the test. Everyone's more interested in screaming accusations of treason, or senility, or socialist affiliations than step back and at least consider. Hamas MAY VERY WELL honor this agreement. Who knows? We DON'T, but that does NOT mean it should be waved off without a second thought because at the very least it opens a door if people ARE willing to LISTEN. Unfortunately that's not the case. There's no way that one side is going to get everything they want out of this, and frankly I'm VERY disgusted with the attacks leveled against someone who's at least willing to risk that same persecution for at least TRYING.

Regardless of whether his efforts were right or in the wrong, at least Carter showed courage in standing up against political dogma and at least LOOKING for another way, however unpopular it might be.
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Re: President Carter: Heroic Peacemaker, or Naive Fool???
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2008, 12:59:01 PM »
If you recall some years ago Carter was bamboozled by a group of mindless overzealous radicals intent on destroying democracy and chose to carry their message to the world.

Four years later we elected R. Reagan