Author Topic: TOD not for all (Read 2286 times)

Vulch · « **on:** July 18, 2001, 02:25:00 PM »

Well the TOD event sounds like great fun. What a pity that a large part of the AH community will never get to play it! 9pm Eastern is 4 or 5 AM in Europe, so I doubt you will see any European Squads participating? I realise you cant please everyone with timeslots, but this is so typical of Americans not thinking about others in the game.

daddog · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2001, 02:28:00 PM »

If you knew me you would not have posted that.

Vulch · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2001, 02:46:00 PM »

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Originally posted by daddog:
If you knew me you would not have posted that.

Well, I don't know you; but I do know that I am not getting up at 4am to participate and I doubt many other EU squads would wish to.

As I said I realise you can't please everyone, but it does seem that more events are slanted to the US than the other way?

Vulch · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2001, 03:07:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulch:

Well, I don't know you;

Perhaps I should add here that this post is nothing personal aimed at daddog, nor is it aimed specifically at AH. It is a trait of online games........unfortunately for Europe.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #4 on:** July 18, 2001, 04:20:00 PM »

Vulch, it is not worth it to you or them if they run a Euro-only event at 5AM OUR time.

They lose sleep, get agitated, and you don't have the numbers to have a good event.

It's a lose/lose situation.

Then when you say "it's so typical of Americans", well you pretty much throw any hope out the door of them WANTING to please you.

You want them to stay up late at night so you can play, but you don't want to stay up late at night so you can play.

That doesn't make any sense to me.
-SW

straffo · « **Reply #5 on:** July 18, 2001, 04:25:00 PM »

But AK and HS were fine for all of us ?

Sw : you are a typical of American

(J/K I've yet to meet a typical whatever

)

Vulch · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2001, 04:49:00 PM »

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Originally posted by SWulfe:
You want them to stay up late at night so you can play, but you don't want to stay up late at night so you can play.

I didn't realise US and EU were on opposite sides of the world. I thought we were only 5 hours apart which means times can be arranged to suit most people, with very little effort. No one needs to stay up late?

Seeker · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2001, 05:02:00 PM »

Who's "them" that have to sit up for us to have an event?

We're quite capable of running our own, may we have the keys to the arena, please?

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #8 on:** July 18, 2001, 05:36:00 PM »

Problem is Seeker, you didn't look at who's on the CM roster.

I believe both Busc and Duckwing6 are Europeans. If you ask them, they may setup an event more suitable to your hours.

Vulch, you said that 9PM Eastern US is 4 or 5 AM European. (I haven't done the calcs, only going by what you said)

In order for it to be more suitable for you, it's less suitable for Americans at the same time.

Anyway you slice it, people are going to lose out unless you run 2 events per day. One at 3PM Eastern US (that's late night European still) and one later in the night for the US players. I'm not sure if the current CM team could keep up with those demands.

I think it would be easier to ask them politely, however, than to instantly bash their efforts and labeling them "typical Americans".

As for Straffo... you're a typical dirty wine drinking Frenchman!

I never got a chance to fly HS or AK, but those had 3PM Eastern US events which would be more suitable to the Europeans. Now the only problem I see with that, is that it's summer time here in the US and I believe also over in most of Europe. At 3PM Eastern US time, people tend to be outside having fun in the sun so that means the CM team would have to stay inside and get pasty skin.

If this were winter, it would be a whole other deal. During wintertime it's much easier to accomodate European times using American CMs.
This is just my take on it. The CM team are generous enough to donate their free time to setup events, be as generous to them and don't be so quick to upset them.
-SW

daddog · « **Reply #9 on:** July 18, 2001, 07:11:00 PM »

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but it does seem that more events are slanted to the US than the other way?

That is absurd. Prior to the Friday night Snapshot the ONLY events were Saturday 3 PM Eastern and Sunday 3 PM Eastern. Both are Euro friendly times. As it stands now Friday night is the ONLY event that I would call U.S. Friendly because is the only evening event in the U.S. In fact I had to fight to keep the Saturday Snapshot because the numbers were low, but I wanted a Snapshot just for the Euro crowd. Also both Hostile Shores and Afrika Corps were at times to suit the Euro folks.

Seeker your quite right. You can run your own event. In fact you have "many" Euro CM's who can set it up for you.

Take a look at the bottom of the events page under "Third Party Events" http://events.hitechcreations.com
Off the top of my head last count we had 7 or 8 CM's who live in Europe, 4 in Japan, 1 in Hawaii and the rest are scattered throughout the U.S. mainland. Go look at the CM roster.

Swulfe mentioned that the current CM team could not keep up with having multiple events on a day. He is exactly right. One of my many jobs as a "typical American" heading the weekly events is to schedule the events we have. Those in Europe can't host the Friday night event, but are quite able to host the Saturday or Sunday events because they are Euro friendly times. The "typical Americans" have to host all three.

Not two weeks ago 10bears a "typical American" had to host the Friday night Snapshot, the Saturday Snapshot, and the Sunday Check 6! because other CM's had real live issues. Did I mention he had to set up all three events, stick around to make sure all was running smoothly? Close down the event and then go over the CM logs? Oh ya, he also had to post an AAR in the CM BB. Hours of work enjoyed by many in Europe.

I enjoy what I do, but it sure bites when I see a post like yours vulch. The CM team works hard for everyone in this community. Euro and American alike.

Vulcan · « **Reply #10 on:** July 18, 2001, 10:29:00 PM »

I'm sorry, but for most events I have to get up at either 6am or early Sunday/Monday.

I'd much rather do that for an event PACKED with people than go for nice times that suit me but that are void of the masses.

You also find in those off-peak times the net access is better, and the missus doesn't get toejamty at ya coz shes snoring her head off while you play.

p.s. anyone want an old obnoxious tiffie pilot for the ToD?

Swoop · « **Reply #11 on:** July 19, 2001, 12:13:00 AM »

Vulch,

you kidding? I live in Amsterdam (CET), 10pm EDT is 4am CET and that's the absolute best time for me......cos the girlfriend is asleep and I can get on with shooting down Germans without distraction or complaining.

Pepe · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2001, 01:49:00 AM »

I will try to make it, even at 5 a.m. on Saturdays, but given the nature of the event, I will be a walk-on. I can't guarantee I will be present on a regular basis.

Cheers,

Pepe

Seeker · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2001, 03:01:00 AM »

Thanks Ddog!

(bloody yank....)

I've approached the CM team in the past about hosting an event, and was basicaly met with "nice try, sonny, don't call us, we'll call you....".

Now, we've all different tastes in events, so how can I push through the event I want, and am willing to plan, organise and look after? After all, if it falls flat on it's face, it's my failure and not the C.M. teams'....

(K.O.T.H. for those that recognise the term...)

Vulchatwork · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2001, 03:33:00 AM »

From Vulch (at work)

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Originally posted by daddog:
The CM team works hard for everyone in this community.

OK, this is getting out of hand. I apologise to anyone I offended and take back everything I said

...........typical Americans, getting so defensive! THAT WAS A JOKE!

...being a typical Englishman I get everything wrong, cant win at any games we invented, can't win any wars and yes it was really the Americans who captured enigma from the German submarine!