Mossi MK 6 = Bogusly undermodeled

[Cmustard]

OK , I would just like to say that the mossi is undermodeled horribly. It should be doing 450 MPH on the deck and it wont even get to 360. I ask and hope that HTC will fix this and make known the true power of the moss.

[SuBWaYCH]

....I"ll wait for Karnak to step in.....

[PFactorDave]

I agree completely.  Even though I have no real knowledge on the subject.  I do love flying a Mossie though.  

[Noir]

check the aircraft and vehicules subforum...lots of threads about that.

[Lusche]

OK , I would just like to say that the mossi is undermodeled horribly. It should be doing 450 MPH on the deck

Please state a source for that.

[Squire]

450 on the deck?

Your kidding of course, a Tempest in full WEP does 375 on the deck.

The FB VI did @ 380 tops clean, and @ 335ish on the deck. Its not a jet.

...I like the Mossie FB VI and have done a few tours in it as my main ride. For starters, dont roll it with too much fuel, 25 and DTs or 50 internal max, and pick your fights, keep your E up. Its not a single engined day fighter so dont expect too much out of it. It turns a nice corner, and it has awesome firepower, but like any type it has its drawbacks. Make sure you fly it at its best alts. 

[Karnak]

Mosquito FB.VI Series 2 with Merlin 25s at +18lbs boost, no flame dampers or ordnance did about 350-355mph on the deck.  Ours has the flame dampers and does about 340 on the deck.  These numbers are correct.

The problem is finding data to back up the undampered performance.  So far as I can tell, looking at all the data I have managed to find, when Boscombe Downs wanted to test an undampered FB.VI they asked for one from and active squadron, which took it as an oportunity to get rid of a lemon.  Both Boscombe Downs and de Haviland say it was significantly underperforming and the top deck speed they got was about 330mph on intial testing and about 340mph after de Haviland cleaned it up a bit.

Some pilots reported 370+mph on the deck, but de Haviland says there was an instrument error in some of them that reported speeds as 20mph faster than they were.

A couple of performance graphs:

[GooseAW]

OK , I would just like to say that the mossi is undermodeled horribly. It should be doing 450 MPH on the deck and it wont even get to 360. I ask and hope that HTC will fix this and make known the true power of the moss.

You still upset cause I caught you in my 262?....

[Karnak]

Another comment, I very strongly advise you to do some detailed research before claiming something in AH is wildly off.  Some things are a bit off, but nothing is remotely as far off as you claimed the Mosquito was in your opening post.

You may be a bit confused from reading about Mosquitoes out running German fighters.  The fact is, no Mosquito was going to be outrunning a Bf109K-4 or and Fw190D-9, but those were very late and in the Fw190D-9's case relatively rare.  An undampered Mosquito 6 will hold a lead on a Bf109G or an Fw190A at lower altitudes.  At higher altitudes the bomber and PR Mosquito's very high cruise speeds made them nearly uninterceptable.  Sure, a Bf109K-4 can climb at 4,500fpm and has a top speed of ~450mph, but while it is climbing it is only going ~180mph over the ground.  In the 6-8 minutes to climb to the correct altitude the Bf109 travels about 18-24 miles.  The B or PR Mosquito cruising at 330mph does something more like 60 miles and by the time the Bf109 has matched speed is probably about 60-75 miles ahead.

[Heretic]

Karnak,

Consider who started this thread and thats all the reason he needs.   He is 16 years old you know!   Didn't you get the memo that all squeekers know everything?

[Karnak]

Karnak,

Consider who started this thread and thats all the reason he needs.   He is 16 years old you know!   Didn't you get the memo that all squeekers know everything?

Yes, but if those of us who actually do know something just point and laugh at them then they will never learn anything.  If we post correct information therer is a chance that they, or others, will actually learn.  Making a post that basically says "Squeaker, haha" is just as useless, if not more so, than the original post being laughed at.

[Fulmar]

Karnak,

Consider who started this thread and thats all the reason he needs.  He is 16 years old you know!   Didn't you get the memo that all squeekers know everything?

Wow, he's THAT old?  I was aiming for 13-14.

[Cmustard]

Please state a source for that.

http://www.masportaviator.com/ntp/dehavillandmosquito.asp

[Lusche]

http://www.masportaviator.com/ntp/dehavillandmosquito.asp

And where exactly does it claim that the VI is capable of doing 450mph on the deck?


"The Mk VI could make 379 mph at 13,000 ft., climb 2,000 ft. / min. fully loaded 3,000 lb. heavier than the Mk II and at 3,500 ft. / min. clean and fly more than 1,200 miles full loaded. The Mk VI had four .303 machine guns and four 20 mm cannon in the nose."

[Cmustard]

And where exactly does it claim that the VI is capable of doing 450mph on the deck?


"The Mk VI could make 379 mph at 13,000 ft., climb 2,000 ft. / min. fully loaded 3,000 lb. heavier than the Mk II and at 3,500 ft. / min. clean and fly more than 1,200 miles full loaded. The Mk VI had four .303 machine guns and four 20 mm cannon in the nose."

OK , the moss MK 6 was capable of 479mph and could carry 3K of ord. I fly mossies in AH almost every flight. Never , inless in a dive , have i been able to carry 3 k of ord , :+) , nor go 379 , tops out around 365MPH , spits out run me