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Flying Talent
« on: April 25, 2008, 02:02:55 PM »
I enjoy the historical aspects of this game the most.  But it is good to get a few kills too.  I'm only an average to good flyer, in my own opinion, but some people in this game are so very, very good at it.  But I always wonder how much it might translate to real life.

For example, most of us here more than a few months can recognize an enemy who is 2.0 behind firing well out of range as an incompetent. but some of us may also fire out of range to give just that impression...

...there are a lot of little tricks...
Knowledge of the ability of the other aircraft might come first...
... but some guys can see 2 or 3 moves ahead and have the patience to make sure they have an advantage..  In my mind, this, along with a determination to survive, is the most valuable skill. 

One thing that detracts from the main arena for me is that there isn't much element of surprise as there was in the reality of WWII.  Dogfighting seems to reign supreme, but in air war, it isn't the preferred way.   Cloud cover and scud layers improve this scenario... as does other weather, but I recognise the need for a viable business model too...


hope to see you in axis vs. allies


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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2008, 02:08:22 PM »
I've always wondered if people who have flown in the Air Force in real life have an advantage on Flight Sims like AHII.

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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2008, 02:41:52 PM »
     I would think it's a very different environment.
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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2008, 02:46:09 PM »
I am of the belief that people who have real life flight experience have an easier time understanding the ACM concepts.  Also, some hours behind a real stick (even if it is a Cessna 152) makes landing in AH2 feel really simple, IMHO.

I've always found it easy to land in AH2, perhaps easier then it should be.

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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2008, 02:59:11 PM »
I've always wondered if people who have flown in the Air Force in real life have an advantage on Flight Sims like AHII.

not really. Real pilots understands envelopes and other aspects but in reality its still a game, nothing compared to real deal.

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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2008, 03:01:08 PM »
not really.

Back in the day (Warbirds, that is) Eagl wasn't any better (or worse) than the rest of the horde.  His day job was flying F-15s until his back went south on him.  Last I heard he was training pilots, but at least he was still in jets.
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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2008, 03:02:32 PM »

I've always found it easy to land in AH2, perhaps easier then it should be.

 :rofl

Sorry...I was just comparing landing on a CV to landing on a CV in AH.  Cracked me up.
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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2008, 06:06:25 PM »
I've always found it easy to land in AH2, perhaps easier then it should be.

They had a nasty crosswind setup in the TA awhile back.  That was a bit of a challenge.
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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2008, 06:24:35 PM »
I flew a Cessna 150 4 times, about 6 hours total, I think it's easier to read instruments and keep an eye on your surroundings in a real plane.  Might be fun to put stadiums in the game so we can circle over them and watch a game or 2.
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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2008, 07:56:11 PM »
Axis versus allies for realism...

see u there...


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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2008, 08:02:08 PM »
Really there is no such thing as "surprise" in the game. You have dar, you have sector dar line, then you have a big icon telling the con what type of plane your in. How the heck do you expect to ever have any type of surprise with all that against you. Even NOE raids are limited in that as soon as they see a 110 raid they up the uber rides and go hunt the goon. You'll never see true surprise work in this game until the above mentioned things get changed. The first thing i'd like to see go is the icon over my head with my plane type shown! Put up an icon that indicates friendly or enemy and what country then let fate of the fight work it out. As far as dar/sector lines, you kill there radar that's it, they should be blind to any inbound attack till the base flashes.

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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2008, 03:25:12 AM »
Maybe not fully answering your question, but it is interesting that there were Furballers and Cherrypickers in real life too...

People like Werner Voss and Albert Ball had short, brilliant careers, taking on the enemy at any odds and often coming back in damaged aircraft.  Ball's VC citation reads: -

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For most conspicuous and consistent bravery from the 25th of April to the 6th of May, 1917, during which period Capt. Ball took part in twenty-six combats in the air and destroyed eleven hostile aeroplanes, drove down two out of control, and forced several others to land. In these combats Capt. Ball, flying alone, on one occasion fought six hostile machines, twice he fought five and once four. When leading two other British aeroplanes he attacked an enemy formation of eight. On each of these occasions he brought down at least one enemy. Several times his aeroplane was badly damaged, once so seriously that but for the most delicate handling his machine would have collapsed, as nearly all the control wires had been shot away. On returning with a damaged machine he had always to be restrained from immediately going out on another. In all, Capt. Ball has destroyed forty-three German aeroplanes and one balloon, and has always displayed most exceptional courage, determination and skill.

He figured that if he attacked a large formation of German aircraft, he should at least be able to shoot down one and then use superior aerobatics/speed to evade.


Voss took on Se5a's of 56 Squadron for ten minutes single handedly in his final fight, never once trying to escape.  56 Squadron was the top RFC squadron and the flight was full of aces: -

"Capt. J. McCudden, No. 56 Squadron ... saw a S.E.5a fighting a triplane, so with others dived at it, and for the next ten minutes the enemy triplane fought the five S.E.5s with great skill and determination. Eventually, however, it was destroyed by 2nd-Lieut. Rhys Davids of the same squadron, who had previously driven down a two-seater. . .The triplane was seen to crash in our lines by other pilots and the other occupant proved to be Lieut. Werner Voss, who was killed." Royal Flying Corps Communique

"I shall never forget my admiration for that German pilot, who single handed, fought seven of us for ten minutes . . . I saw him go into a fairly steep dive and so I continued to watch, and then saw the triplane hit the ground and disappear into a thousand fragments, for it seemed to me that it literally went into powder." James McCudden

"His flying was wonderful, his courage magnificent and in my opinion he is the bravest German airman whom it has been my privilege to see fight." James McCudden

"If I could only have brought him down alive..." Arthur Rhys Davids to James McCudden


On the flip side, you also had the very thorough pilots who would only attack on favourable odds.  These racked up high scores but never had the glamour or fame of the above.

For example, Rene Fonck was the top scoring allied ace of the First World War, he is hardly well known because he was a careful, arrogant man and had none of the charisma of the more famous aces.  Amongst his countrymen, Guynemer and Nungesser are much more famous despite having much lower scores.

I think that these types are easily recognisable in Aces High, so i believe that this directly relates to real life.
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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2008, 04:38:35 AM »
...and Von Richthofen himself was a "picker" so far as I can tell from the reading I've done. :lol
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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2008, 07:26:22 AM »
They had a nasty crosswind setup in the TA awhile back.  That was a bit of a challenge.


now THAT sounds like fun. i like flying to ocean city municipal airport for just that......there's always a crosswind there......and it's only 60 ft wide by...i think 2600 ft long.......southjersey reg is 50 by 4950, and the flying w is 75 by 3500,,,,,,,,,,all fun though.
imaginei if they were that narrow or short here? wonder how many people would run off the end, or miss alltogether? especially in a damaged aircraft? :D
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Re: Flying Talent
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2008, 07:29:34 AM »
...and Von Richthofen himself was a "picker" so far as I can tell from the reading I've done. :lol

yes, he was.....as was eric hartman.....richtoffen died though when he broke his own rule, and became too focused on his prey......

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