for James Bond fans, like me...

[DiabloTX]

If you watch the movie again, after Bond's second kill for double-0 status, you'll notice that he only kills as a last resort.  I'd say that is very civilized of him.  And Vesper betrayed him.  Calling her a b*tch, I think, is pulling punches.

[lazs2]

there is no doubt in my mind that the new bond is more realistic.  The idealized brit gentleman may make some all wet or warm and fuzzy but it is a myth. 

I liked the original books by flemming.  I read em all as a kid.   If you had been around that bond you would have noticed that he was drunk and stunk of ciggs most of the time.

There is a new book out that claims that bond really did save england tho... I would tend to agree with it.  those times were tough for that little island.  Most kids thought england didn't really exist anymore.. we knew king arthur and ivanhoe were from someplace that was great once but that was about it.   We knew that they fought bravely in a few wars but had to be rescued.   we didn't hear the accent on TV or in the street.

Now.. you can't even work for NPR unless you have a brit accent..  every liberal in the country has cultivated one.   Most heads of departments I wish did not exist have brit accents here.   "man made global warming" wouldn't even exist without their help.. gore is a buffoon with little credibility.. he has been doing gloom and doom for 40 years..  until the brits latched onto him he was just another nutter.



lazs

[Maverick]

I like some of the change in the new Bond, but not all of it. I think "M" stated it best when she referred to him as a "blunt instrument". He had no grace at all and seemed more like a street tough instead of demonstrating any couth or class. He needs to smooth over the rough edges a bit to really fit the mold. Some rough is good but he's too much of a "good thing" in the way he played the role. It's like the difference between a mace and a rapier. One has a lot more grace and skill to it's use than the other.

[rpm]

Impakt, that was the whole point of the movie. This was the raw, unpolished Bond before he became the smooth operator.

[Dux]

I, too, dislike the Bond of the latest iteration of Casino Royale. A Bond that can say: "the b-tch is dead" (speaking of the woman he loved) and kneecap a villain----IS a NARG (Not A Real Gentleman). ...

The "b*tch is dead" quote is straight from the last line of the original book, written by Fleming himself. I can only imagine that a comment such as yours comes from someone who was introduced to Bond through Roger Moore. Bond was not a gentleman.

Like Lazs, I too read all the books when I was young... most before seeing the movie versions (and I was born in '65, a year after Fleming died)... and I feel that this new Bond is getting back to the original spirit of Bond.

[Saxman]

I remember watching something that stated once one of the two Dalton flicks (can't remember which offhand) was the first Bond movie not based off one of the novels. However then when I started reading details on the movies and the novels (I've never actually read the books). About half of the films--especially Moore's--took the titles and came up with a completely different story, so really they've been writing original James Bond stories with nothing to do with the books as early as Roger Moore. In general, plot-wise Connery's movies were closer to the books (Thunderball itself was written by Flemming specifically to BE a movie, so IIRC was the closest adaptation of all of them).

That's not to say I thought Moore was all bad for doingthat, either. For Your Eyes Only is one of my favorite Bond movies (AND one of my favorite Bond Girls in Carole Bouquet. I also loved the VERY young Jane Seymour in Live and Let Die). One of the best "henchmen" out of all the movies was Jaws, who was largely invented for the movie version of The Spy Who Loved Me.

So yeah, the movies largely stepped away from the books, but I don't think it's been all THAT bad.

[rpm]

Roger Moore was essentially playing a suped up Simon Templar.

[Shuckins]

I didn't know that David Niven had played James Bond.  What movie was this?  It must have been a real stinker, because it is never rerun on tv.

I've always had a soft spot for "On Her Majesty's Secret Service," with George Lazenby replacing Sean Connery.  Don't know why....I just can't help myself.  Perhaps it was the presence of Dianna Riggs...

[Golfer]

I'm very excited to see the next Bond movie.  Casino Royale showed us an early James Bond in a modern time (which I liked!) who just started down the road which would lead to the character so well done by Sean Connery.  This next movie is the biggest challenge to apply the smoothness and refinement of Sean Connery's character to the new edge of James Bond meets Jason Bourne.  We'll see if it's as good as I hope.

[rpm]

I didn't know that David Niven had played James Bond.  What movie was this?  It must have been a real stinker, because it is never rerun on tv.

That would be Casino Royale. It was rewritten to be a campy comedy with Peter Sellers, Woody Allen and David Niven.
Yes, it was a stinker.

[Saxman]

I'd still love to see Woody Allen play the villain in a "straight" Bond flick. 

[moot]

He is the East End Bond, the American Bond, the Abu Ghraib, torture condoning Bond. He says a lot about us.

  It's like you're channeling Alec Baldwin on "No country for old men".  Nice projection, or displacement, or whatever.

Go see No Country for Old Men. It's a metaphor for Iraq and the post 9/11 world.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alec-baldwin/-no-country-for-old-m_b_73899.html?page=9

[lazs2]

LOL..  yeah.. impakt does remind me of baldwin now that ya mention it.

I am having a really hard time seeing the tie in with no country for old men and Iraq.

I liked that movie.   I don't like baldwin.

The Bond of the Flemming novels was a crude blunt instrument who could take on the veneer of the brit gentleman... not the effeminate moore type that impakt admires.

He knew the ways of the rich and gentile but he was as brutal and uncaring as they come.  Hell.. my biggest problem with him was that..being a brit.. he didn't know squat about guns.   he used a .25 berreta fer chrisakes!   His huge step up in power was a little .32 PPK.   Have you ever shot a .25?   Have you ever tried to hit anything 25 yards away with one?   

lazs

lazs

[Sikboy]

The "b*tch is dead" quote is straight from the last line of the original book, written by Fleming himself.

If you like Bond at all, you owe it to yourself to read Casino Royale. I thought Casino Royale was an excellent re-boot of a Franchise that had become way too tangled up in its own history. By starting over again at the base "Blunt Instrument," they have more room to manuver than ever before. I hope that they can keep up the good work and allow the technology and "gadgetry" to compliment the story, instead of becoming the story. It seemed a bit tacked on in Casino Royale... I mean the defib in the car? Was that really necessary?

-Sik

[Speed55]

I stopped watching bond after Moore retired. I couldn't sit through any of the movies with the other two clowns, but after watching casino royale i'm really looking foward to the next one.  

go go brutal bond