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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2008, 12:24:47 AM »
UMM.....sounds like a problem with the muffler bearing. :noid




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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2008, 12:38:35 AM »
The codes are nice. Pull in to Autozone, have them check it with their handheld scanner (usually free), it tells you exactly what's wrong. My poor, dead 4Runner had a check engine light come on. Punched the code, told me misfire on #6 cylinder, so I spent 20 minutes replacing the plugs & coil packs. Problem solved. It took longer to get the air box unhooked from the throttle body than to actually diagnose the problem.



PULL INTO AUTOZONE, HUH?
 i had a ford explorer the other week. the guy went to autozone, and they pulled a code P0121. that's for lean condition if i recall, bank one. they told him it needed the upstream o2 sensor. he came to me, and requested that o2 sensor. i offered to diagnose it for him. he refused. he told me the autozone story. i offered again, knowing just how smart they are there. he refused. so i made sure he knew that if i put it in, and the CEL came back on, and had the same code, it would not be warrantied unless the o2 i put in was bad. it came on 3 days later. this time he let me diagnose it. it had a vacuum leak.
 moral here? although i know you all(especially those of you that don't understand cars) don't like to pay for diagnosis, and i know there's still lots of dishonest mechanics out there, and i know money is tight right now, but if you don't already have a reputaable shop, find one, and trust them. if you like to tinker yourself, then by all means, please do. i love being able to charge extra for that. :rofl  seriously though, i don't really care how/where you get the work done. i AM however, proud of what i do, and take great pride in my work, as i'm sure a lot of you tech/mechanics do. i also get annoyed just like you all do, when i cut up my arm trying to change that last plug on the rear bank of that 3.3L towne and country. but this is what it costs to have our cake and eat it too. we want pretty cars, that go really fast, and get good gas mileage. the govt., wants to clean up the air. so we now have engines that are really only 20%-30% effecient, but they have management systems on them, that help them run cleaner and better. we've really only masked the problem for the last 30 years of emmission controls.  steve built an awsome engine by going backwards, and doing it old style.(BTW, i love the scoops on your vette dude!) a 10 second street cars is awsome. but a 12 second street car that gets over 22 mpg, and will start on the first try in 0 degree weather, and drive perfectly civily is a tad better. chevy i think had the camaros running 12's out of the factory, just before they discontinued them.
 anyway, i'm tired......

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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2008, 01:33:05 PM »
Speaking of getting to that last plug in the rear......

My favorite (NOT) was our old Grand Am GT ('95 or so? cant remember)  I'm sure it's not the only GM to use this technique, but to get to the rear plugs, one would remove the "dog bone" engine mount in the front, put a 1/2" breaker bar on the engine side of same mount, and actually pull back until the engine tilted towards you enough to reach them   :eek:

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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2008, 01:58:14 PM »
Would that work for a 97 Jeep wrangler?

There is a similer way to get the Dash read out to throw a code on a TJ (97 was the first TJ).

Here is what I found over at http://www.rubiconownersforum.com
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Getting the codes All Chrysler vehicles with fuel injection have had some form of "error checking." In many older vehicles, a person could easily turn the key back and forth a few times to get a two-digit code. With the PT Cruiser, a longer code seems to be used. In addition, as with all vehicles sold in the United States, the system is OBDCIII compatible, so that a standard diagnostic device can be plugged into a standard jack to get computer codes.

When some problems are found, the computer lights up the "engine light;" others are ignored until a mechanic asks for them. The "engine light" stays on when a serious emissions or engine problem is found, until the code is erased.

Chrysler vehicles have a "limp in" mode which reverts to a pre-programmed "guessing map" for timing, fuel delivery, etc. when a critical sensor fails. Those who have been in other cars when their oxygen sensor failed can feel grateful for this feature, though it can be confusing - for example, in some (maybe all) models, the automatic transmission is limited to second gear! The engine light also turns itself on for two seconds every time the car is started so you will know the bulb still works.

The "engine light" may shut itself off if there are no problems for three consecutive trips, or three consecutives engine misfire or fuel system tests with no problems.
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To get the codes, put the key into the ignition, push down the odometer reset button, then turn the key to RUN with your finger on the button - and then release the button. The odometer will go through 1111111 through 999999, then display the car's serial number, then show the error codes starting with P.

Here's the old method which may work if the first one doesn't: move the key from Run to Off to Run to Off to Run within five seconds. It does not always work the first time. (Run is JUST before Start). The code will show up in the odometer - thank your lucky stars for this, since the codes used to get blinked on the engine light. This could be frustrating since they sometimes seemed to pause in the wrong place...

You can also get the codes using an OBDC III scan tool. That's the best way to do it, but not everyone wants to spend the cash on these tools.


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Codes may start with a "P" in your odometer.

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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2008, 02:01:02 PM »
They are nice, for the ignorant masses, no question.  I can listen to my car and tell you what's wrong.  *shrug*

I can do that for PCs, but not engines. Not my cup of tea. I don't even like to work on my own cars, nor will probably even own one without a warranty again... but I used to sound like you when I did tech support. Arrogant and salamanderly.  :lol

and Cap, I actually have mechanics I can trust implicitly... it's the service writers that are out to hose you.  :noid

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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2008, 02:26:07 PM »
Speaking of getting to that last plug in the rear......

My favorite (NOT) was our old Grand Am GT ('95 or so? cant remember)  I'm sure it's not the only GM to use this technique, but to get to the rear plugs, one would remove the "dog bone" engine mount in the front, put a 1/2" breaker bar on the engine side of same mount, and actually pull back until the engine tilted towards you enough to reach them   :eek:

Favorite car to work on has to be early 90's Saturns.  Everything went together like Lego's.  Even changing body panels was a snap, literally.

it wasn't the only one. mopst of that body of gm's wth the 3800, 3100 series engines you need to do that.
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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2008, 02:27:16 PM »
I can do that for PCs, but not engines. Not my cup of tea. I don't even like to work on my own cars, nor will probably even own one without a warranty again... but I used to sound like you when I did tech support. Arrogant and hootly.  :lol

and Cap, I actually have mechanics I can trust implicitly... it's the service writers that are out to hose you.  :noid
ya, you're right. especially if they're on comission.
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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2008, 02:44:40 PM »
I worked at a local garage once, where the service writer was a complete idiot.  (surprise, surprise)

His standing rule was that EVERY vehicle that rolled into to bay WILL be written up for SOMETHING.

Yes, most cars could use a wiper blade, oil change, etc, but he was a complete nazi about it to the point where he would try to report the newer/younger guys for insubordination if the put in a clean ticket.

This, from the same guy who wanted me to pass his buddy's car for PA State inspection even though it was "questionable"  I had cut the rotors(another standing rule regardless of condition) when I changed the brakes.  The final size was under specs by about .010.  I told him "Sorry, can't do it.  You are the Service Writer, but it's MY license."  I told him to "slide it through this one time".  As he was originally from one of our Jersey stores, he didn't have an inspection license for the Commonwealth of PA.

I told him "Sorry about your luck, but I am not going to do it"  He then tried to get me in hot water with management for "insubordination" until the truth came out.

They transferred him to some crap-hole store in SW Philly after that one.    :rofl

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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2008, 04:32:28 PM »
Yesterday I burned myself on both arms installing camber adjusting shims in a Ford RTV ute  :mad:
I absolutely hate it when I have to make adjustments to vehicles while they are still hot. :furious
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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2008, 04:39:21 PM »
Most of the dodads & thingamabobs y'all were talking about went over my head... but I got the jist of it. On the way to go pick up the vehicle from it's teeny (costly) repair. 

Frankly, I don't care one way or another if it gets done in our own garage or the dealers garage. I don't do it either way.  But it means a great bit to TxDad, so I'm all for whatever he wants.  We'll have to keep the vehicle, since it serves a useful purpose that another vehicle couldn't serve.  Bummer.

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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2008, 04:50:51 PM »
There is a similer way to get the Dash read out to throw a code on a TJ (97 was the first TJ).

Here is what I found over at http://www.rubiconownersforum.com

Excellent!  Thanks GT! 

I too am in the same boat where my CEL has come on, but I have no money to do anything about it.  Perhaps in 2 more weeks, but not now.
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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2008, 05:16:11 PM »
Excellent!  Thanks GT! 

I too am in the same boat where my CEL has come on, but I have no money to do anything about it.  Perhaps in 2 more weeks, but not now.

The forum I linked has some really savy guys, if you figure out the codes, they could tell you what to do about them.

I have been driving my truck around with a CEL light, but its just for the smog toejam, and It runs fine.

I will fix it just before I have to smog it.

The jeep has been trouble free and turns 3 years old in a month. 


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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2008, 05:56:08 PM »
Yesterday I burned myself on both arms installing camber adjusting shims in a Ford RTV ute  :mad:
I absolutely hate it when I have to make adjustments to vehicles while they are still hot. :furious

they make hot sleeves for that. :D
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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2008, 07:04:24 PM »
There is a similer way to get the Dash read out to throw a code on a TJ (97 was the first TJ).

Here is what I found over at http://www.rubiconownersforum.com

Problem.  I did the first thing, and it started to scroll through the numbers 000 to 111 to 222... But after it got to 999 it went straight to my mileage.

Was I doing something wrong?
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Re: The bad thing about new vehicles
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2008, 12:48:12 AM »
This does bring up a point. My father used to tinker with an old mini he had back when he was a teen in England. I think he managed to tinker with it so much he got it up to about 300hp and he did all himself. Now my mother has just bought a new Mini Cooper S. He took a look at the engine and he stated he couldn't even get his hand in their without moving the whole block pretty much. (Not to mention those damn run flats costing great deals of money.)
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