Comments on negative posting and thread locks

[Maverick]

This post actually ties into two closed threads. The last was closed in only 62 minutes.
That HAS to be a record for this BBS.

I was very confused by Pyro’;s actions in closing the thread that had proof of hacking in
the game. What really confused me was his tirade about problem mongering. I guess I
really missed something there. I thought, after reading the newer posts, that the thread
was actually very supportive of the HTC crew. Of course there was the usual “characters”
bashing each other and doing nothing but bait each other. However, they were bashing
each other, NOT Pyro or HTC.

I found the majority of the posters were very concerned and hopeful that hackers would
be kept out so the game would remain fair and playable. I <S> Mitsu for his actions. He
provided proof of hacking and posted it for all to see what REAL hacking was in AH. For
those who hack, you must know that plenty of us would be happy to do the same and get
your sorry butts out of the game. For those who want to “claim” hacking, provide proof
as convincing as Mitsu did. if you can’t provide proof, shaddup and keep playing.

What really disturbed me was Pyro’s coments. Pyro you must never have had to
experience being spat upon. You have no freaking clue what type of reaction you have to
repress when someone spits on you just because of your job. A Law Enforcement Officer,
does not have the option to do what they would like to do in such a situation. You have to
hold yourself back and “respect the rights” of the creature that just spit on you. I sincerely
hope you never have that experience. Being the subject of such hatred is not pleasant by
any stretch of the imagination.

If you were upset about the pricing comments about a discount for AW players switching
to AH, there are two ways to handle them. If it is not true, say so and let everyone know
the statements made by Nath are false.

If it is true then admit it and take your lumps. A multilayered pricing scheme for the same
product is not palatable to your customer base. It would be a slap in the face to those who
have been playing and paying full price. You should not expect your customers to like it.
There should be no reason to give a discount to AW players to start playing AH absent any work towards AH like the CM's and Trainers. AW, if
you believe the comments made earlier, is going away. The players can switch over if they
wish just like those of us who played AW, WB and Confirmed Kill did. A price discount
to an AW squad to join AH is mind boggling, particularly if it is true that AW is folding
soon. What could possibly make them more valuable to HTC than the current members
you have?

Lastly, Towd you were out of line with your comments. It isn’t necessary to be so nasty in
your posts. You do not have to be so nasty just to let others know you aren’t happy.

Mav


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[Moose11]

After watching some of the threads erupt here, I would bet serious money that people get off on being instigators.

Won't say who. Just an observation.

Pyro obviously got a little frustrated. Who wouldn't? Every 5th guy has a complaint about this small company and everyone 'knows' how to run things better. "We need an early war planeset or else", "no more strat" (that ones for a certain someone out there who I love  ), "x-plane is overmodelled" etc etc...

I've seen more complaints here then I did when I worked for Hoyts movie theater. There, people complained about the horrible prices for food and tickets almost every 10 min. It gets on your nerves when someone can't find something good to say. Look at this board. Anyone coming in will see the bad apples and think 'why would I want to play this game with these types of people.'

Nevermind. I'm going into a rant, and the worst part is that the main point of 'shutting the f**k up will never get across to those who need it most.

Thank god we get to shoot em down.

I like this game. I like the company. They've taken good care of me and so I'm staying. For all those who think otherwise, why don't you just leave? It's a click away...

Moose out.

[Jochen]

Hacking thread was many months old and it was not an issue anymore so it was useless to bring it up again.

The other thread was started by some retarted and bitter person and the thread had no value, it was only a whine.

I think this thread is also useless and it will be locked too.

Which is nice.

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[Wardog]

Totaly agree with Pyro on this.

AH is his property, and he has the right to protect it any way he sees fit.

Dog out............

[Pepe]

Don't know if hacking is an issue or not, and I seriously doubt anyone, other than Htc. staff themselves and the eventual hacker, has an informed opinion.

Hacking is, IMO, the most dangerous threat to this (and any other) online game. Taking the small bits of information that leak on this issue, I think Htc. has taken the most appropiate way to fight this, and based on my online experience, it is not an issue nowadays. Maybe it happens, I don't know for sure, maybe I'll never now, and I don't care. All I can say is that my online experience is, overall, really rewarding. All strange things happening to me in the Arenas are possibly due to net lag, lack of skill, etc., before I can possibly think in a hack.

If you have a suspect on a hack, have the film sent to Htc. (I usually fly with Recorder ON). Unless I have proof on contrary, I trust them. I have none as of yet.

On the price issue, I could care less.... I vote with my wallet on a monthly basis. If I ever become uncomfortable with the game, my vote will be $0. At the time being, apart from the occasional burst in Ch1 (please have my appologies for that), I'm having a hell of a time with this sim/game/sim. So my vote is $30....errrrmmm....yes.

Cheers,

Pepe

[paintmaw]

No business owner likes someone telling them how to run their baby . Aces High is the BEST sim out there , Ya can't please all the people , so just be happy I'm pleased  
my check for $9.95 is in the mail

[Lance]

Mav, your post reads like the dialogue of adult characters in an animated "Peanuts" cartoon.  Quit trying to speak for the customer base, because this customer is quite happy with the product at $29.95.  If you aren't, then by all means, find something you feel better about spending your money on.

Gordo

[Duckwing6]

really really unnecessary paintmaw .. unless it's a typo

[SOB]

What Gordo said (good lord, I agreed with that nimrod!).  I respect your opinion Mav, but personally I don't find it to be a slap in the face at all.  This is recreation for me.  When I joined, HTC was offering their services for $30/mo and after the two week trial, I was happy to pay that.  I still fly and have no regrets when that $30 comes out of my checking account every month...they provided me with what I'd value as more than $30 worth of entertainment so I'm happy to pay it.

What someone else pays isn't part of the equation.


SOB


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[Westy]

 I didn't find anything about Pyro's post offensive (I understood what he was saying about spitting on a cop. it was not being derogatory towards police at all)  and to be honest I'm embarrassed now to have been part of that topic seeing how anything I added kept bringing it up the list of topics. I've been part of  too many closed topics to be honest. Which doesn't reflect well on me to say the least.

 I believe I felt some of Pyro's frustration and anger for a moment when I read his words in that cloed topic. A topic which WAS a troll and which WAS meant to be as disruptive as anything here possibly could be. Pyro was quite right, imo.  There's too much meanness and spiteful conjecture and outright roadkill aimed at the HTC people and thier product of thier hardwork AH.

 I don't look at what he did as censorship. I've never seen Pyro or anyone exhibit blatant censorship here. I seriously doubt the sanity and mental condition of the few who think that they do practice censorship. If Pyro wanted to censor he could just delete posts or entire threads.  I personaly would rather he had asked someone like Towd to move on long ago and find somewhere else to pout, be disruptive  and act all "repressed by the man" like. But that's not something they would do. Or they would have done it long ago.  
 
 In regard to posting here on this ubb board I just want to say that I (as Westy) personally am not acting via some online a persona at all.
What I say I'd say in person. No matter if what I posts  was something nice or good, helpful, spitful or sarcastic.  I do bait some here because they're easy and they deserve it imo. (waves to Nath and EYE).

 On the other hand I take what most folks say and how they posture here to be really them also. That being said I can't count the number on one hand of folks I truly dislike and wish were gone from the AH community.  

 -Westy

[Yeager]

Mav,

The first locked thread was an all too well documented episode of hacking many months ago and was simply being punted back to life for no worthwile reason that I could find.

The second thread was a low class insult towards pyro.  No surprise there considering the originator.

Yeager

[Pongo]

Interesting conundrum.
If you are unhappy that some people pay 1/2 to 1/3rd of the price you pay and have payed for a year then it seems you have several options.
Quit. But dont tell pyro or anyone else why you did so. Cause thats not cool.
Keep paying and just let the bile build. Lots of people apperently dont mind being took so there must be something wrong with you.
These would appernently be the only polititcally correct options.

Do not under any circumstances post here that you are unhappy with it.
Do not under any circumstance try to gather support for others to preasure for rationalized pricing. The customer is not right in this case.
These actions will target you for rebuke from people that to me honestly seem to protest just a little too much.

I keep going back to the three offers that my friend got on three different accounts that he had used for free 2 week trials.
Laughing his head off that he who had never spent a nickle on AH was being offered these deals. He offered me the 15 or 20 dollar ones as he intended to use the 10 dollar one.
I just felt that was dishonest. So I said no. He flew the 10 dollar account for 3 weeks and then offered to let me use that one.
I still felt that that was dishonest and said no.
I must have my head up my but.
If I can get the game for 10$ or for free..that is just the price that I can get so who could legitimatly feel that I have done something wrong. There is no fair price. Man I was stupid. Its whatever you can get someone to pay or whatever you can get away with paying.
Wish I had propely understood this 250 dollars canadian ago.  The 160 bucks that I would not have paid would have come in handy for my fish finder.

[AKDejaVu]

Pongo,

You miss the point entirely, as most of the people that are complaining about the various offers that were submitted.

What would you have HTC do?  Lower the price for everyone right now regardless of consequence?  Raise the price for those that were offered lower rates?  What?

The solution is to wait for HTC to decide on a better pricing option... and hope things work out in your favor.

Until then, you are simply squeaking to be squeaking.  None of what has been offered in any of these "debates" has been even remotely constructive nor has it been considerate of HTCs buisness needs... or are so assumption based that it is rediculous.

Everyone wants to pay less.  How many people want to see HTC go under because of it?  I've deemed $30 to be acceptable, though I'd rather it were less.  However, I'll pay whatever is necessary to keep HTC afloat.

The fact that others pay less does not phaze me.  I understand the reasoning behind it.  Its hard to understand why so many people don't.  Its enough to get me frustrated and I don't work for HTC and its not my paycheck that's affected as a result.

AKDejaVu

[Westy]

Quit. But dont tell pyro or anyone else why you did so. Cause thats not cool.

 Not so much not cool as much as it's who cares?

Keep paying and just let the bile build.

  Bile build? Colorful. If someone has bile building because they play an online game and are bitter because a few people did get lower price points then they need a psychiatrist.

Lots of people apperently dont mind being took so there must be something wrong with you.

  I'm paying $30/mo. and I'm getting more than my monies worthe. And I dont harbour any bitterness towards HTC or the players who particpated in the HTC marketing plan. Canada is socialist isn't it?  


These would appernently be the only polititcally correct options. Do not under any circumstances post here that you are unhappy with it.

 Post like person with a point and not a frothing, demented. blithering idiot with an ulterior motive or ajenda and people listen.

Do not under any circumstance try to gather support for others to preasure for rationalized pricing.

  Do it elsewhere. imo. You're off base if you think past methods were appropriate in manner and also byt being here.


The customer is not right in this case.

No they are not.

[iThese actions will target you for rebuke from people that to me honestly seem to protest just a little too much.[/i]

 The complete lack of tact, class and well spoken point of view used by a few is what most object too. I know I do. And some just are so damned like  Don Quixote charging the evile windmill. If they don't like somethign that HTC isn't going to change, change fast enough or to your liking. Then leave. It's real simple.

I keep going back to the three offers that my friend got on three different accounts that he had used for free 2 week trials. Laughing his head off  that he who had never spent a nickle on AH was being offered these deals.

 This says more about you than him imo.  

 Yes there is a fair price, it's whatever you agree to pay HTC for AH. There have been more than enough analogies to other services and products where people pay different prices for the same thing. And at HTC we only know for a FACT that HTC gave a very small number of people lower prices in thier research. Just because you know one doesn't make it out ot be 'everyine' but you. And just because you or anyone else read a 'post' here that claims someone asked HTC for a lower price deosn't mean anything on HTC's part.

So yes,  you are stupid.  (Your own words)
 
 -Westy

[AKSeaWulfe]

As I've stated before, so long as *MY* bandwidth isn't being eaten up by someone paying 1/2 to 1/3 of the price I'm paying... I don't care. It's when I'm paying for both my bandwidth and someone elses who's paying 1/2 to 1/3 the price I'm paying that I will care.
-SW