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Offline Motherland

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Black Devil of the South
« on: May 23, 2008, 10:46:27 AM »
What more needs to be said?






Bf109G14 W.Nr. 166221, August, 1944. This is the 109 Hartmann scored his 300th kill in, among many others.
I'm going to scan my reference photo's up in a bit...

(you may want to type the second two into your browser, the BBS resized them...)




EDIT: For anyone who may have been confused by the title of the thread, when Erich Hartmann adorned the nose of his 109 with the above 'black tulip' pattern, the Russians began calling him 'the Black Devil of the South', for obvious reasons.
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Offline Xasthur

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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2008, 11:54:53 AM »
Tulip should be longer, from what I remember.

Otherwise it looks good.
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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2008, 03:31:03 PM »
Quote from: Xasthur on May 23, 2008, 11:54:53 AM
Tulip should be longer, from what I remember.

Otherwise it looks good.


Ive got a carbon 'sketch' of Hartmann and this bird up on my wall over my bed. Tulip IS longer.
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Offline Motherland

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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2008, 03:38:19 PM »
How long should it be?
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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2008, 04:08:54 PM »
Quote from: Motherland on May 24, 2008, 03:38:19 PM
How long should it be?

The black should end at the very trailing edge of the third exhaust pipe, and the white should continue just a little past that.
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Offline Jester

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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2008, 04:11:27 PM »
While not a G-14 - this is a pic of a 109G-6 that was flown by Hartmann. Almost all the aircraft he flew had the "Tulip" design on it and were about the same size.
The pic shows the design and length pretty good. Hope this helps you out.

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Offline Motherland

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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2008, 04:13:26 PM »
Thanks, Jester. I'll be removing the yellow 'chin' as well, I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be there. The particular G14 I have a picture of doesnt seem to have a tail band.
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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2008, 04:19:56 PM »
The yellow band and underside of the wingtips was a "Eastern Front" tactical marking - all German aircraft had them to keep their own AA Gunners from shooting at them.

I will dig around in my files and see if I can find some more pics of Hartmanns planes.

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Offline Serenity

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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2008, 04:21:27 PM »
I know this isn't garunteed to be the most accurate image, but here is what I have on my wall:

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Offline Xasthur

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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2008, 09:04:17 AM »
Ultimately, I think that is not the greatest model but the tulip represents what I understand to be correct.

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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2008, 09:55:03 PM »
Boy do i feel like an idiot...this whole time i was looking for an actual "tulip" flower on the plane...but NOW i see what y'all are talking about lol  :o
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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2008, 02:47:07 AM »
DUDE! Nice terrain!  :aok
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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2008, 05:24:47 AM »
Motherland, I think the aircraft you are working on above in your first post was actually one Hartmann flew that DID NOT have the Black Tulip on the nose. There were a couple.

Sorry for the bad news.

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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2008, 07:34:58 AM »
There was some doubt that he actually ever flew a G14 as well in this scheme.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,206479.0.html
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Re: Black Devil of the South
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2008, 02:24:25 PM »
Alright... I haven't worked on this one in a while but it's time to start up again. Here is what I'm working from.


Any more help with the paint scheme would be nice, I've removed the tulip.
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