Co-operation and teamwork

[stephen waldron]

      I hear alot in Aces High about working with others to accomplish a mission.  But in reality i see scant evidence of it in the game.  As the member of a bomber squadron, i really can't tell the difference between flying in a squadron or flying alone.  It appears the only thing you have going for you is the "herd" mentality.  The idea if four bomber formations are flying together, you have a 1-4 chance of being attacked and shot down. 

      The experienced fighter pilot is NOT intimidated by squadrons of B-17's numbering in the dozens of planes.  They know the other bomber pilots are not going to render themselves "blind" to what's going on around them by taking up a gun position to help save a friendly formation under attack.  Not even for a second.  So there's no difference between attacking a single formation or a squadron consisting of several formations. 

      This is just ONE example of what i'm talking about.  I could site dozens of others that occur on a regular basis.  Like calling for assitance at a threatened base, and then BUGGING OUT just as the help arrives.  Happens all the time.  I don't even pay attention to requests like this anymore. 

[A8balls]

Maybe you're just in the wrong Squadron?

[Latrobe]

Are you flying Rook? That may be a problem.

[WMLute]

ugh, sounds like you w/ the wrong group.

you should be VERY picky with who you pick as a squad.

they are not all created equal.

[NoBaddy]

Perhaps you don't understand the point of the Main Arenas. They are there to have fun. For some, fun is organizing the crap out of their time online. Me...I'm about having fun. I have to do the organization crap 5 days a week for a paycheck. I have no great desire to do it in my entertainment.

If you really want organization, try FSO or scenerios. The MA's are about chaos....and that is as it should be.

[fcmartin]

ask your self this.  how serious are you compared to your squad.  its like lute said, if your serious then be picky.  i had a couple of squads ask me to join before i made my dission to go with LCA.  having the chance to fly with them is a big plus to see how they run things to better help make you dission

[hubsonfire]

Listen to NB. He is really old, and really wise. Granted, he is not as wise as he is old, but he is fairly wise.

[Guppy35]

As near as I can tell, Squads are like minded folks just having a good time.  Mine happens to like flying P38 light bombers with a historical theme.  Since it's PTO based, we prefer shooting Japanese planes first, but we're not picky.  And we die to just about any plane out there.

Put us in a scenario where it matters and you won't find a more organized on task bunch of 38 drivers.  Throw us in the MA and you'll likely find us on the deck turning and burning til we kill em all, or as in my case I hit the ground in a million pieces.

To me there is no "war' in the MA, just a bunch of bases that all look the same.  other folks see it as a grand strategy to take all those lookalike bases. 

To each their own, but expecting chess piece wide cooperation and tactics is not what the MA is about.

[BaldEagl]

Listen to NB. He is really old, and really wise. Granted, he is not as wise as he is old, but he is fairly wise.

 

[Sloehand]

     
      The experienced fighter pilot is NOT intimidated by squadrons of B-17's numbering in the dozens of planes.  They know the other bomber pilots are not going to render themselves "blind" to what's going on around them by taking up a gun position to help save a friendly formation under attack.  Not even for a second.  So there's no difference between attacking a single formation or a squadron consisting of several formations. 
 

Don't know who YOUR flying buff missions with, but I'd be finding different people to fly with if I were you, cause there's lots who fly together in tight boxes and put up a heck of a rain of fire, be it one fighter or, 5 or 6 attacking.

[trotter]

      The experienced fighter pilot is NOT intimidated by squadrons of B-17's numbering in the dozens of planes.  They know the other bomber pilots are not going to render themselves "blind" to what's going on around them by taking up a gun position to help save a friendly formation under attack.  Not even for a second.  So there's no difference between attacking a single formation or a squadron consisting of several formations.

Maybe I'm not an experienced enough fighter pilot, because I know that having 4 gunners (x3 when considering drone gunners) firing at me is more lethal than having lone pilot 14503839 in his B-17 formation firing at me from 2.5 out. Not even for a second.

[Delirium]

Put us in a scenario where it matters and you won't find a more organized on task bunch of 38 drivers.  .

In Operation Downfall, I had the pleasure of leading alot of SAPP members flying P38Ls in the 'what if' scenario of the invasion of Japan. One flight really depicts us in a scenario, where we get as serious as we ever get...

We were fully loaded with 2-1k eggs and a full load of rockets on each wing heading to a Japanese airfield. Unfortunately, we got bounced by 2 squadrons of Japanese fighters. With very solid team work and real smart flying, my crew dispatched both squadrons of Japanese without a single loss and no one dropped a single bomb or rocket to lighten their load.

A few minutes later our fully loaded P38s completely flattened the base (hangers, guns and vh), and scored even more kills as another Japanese squadron was caught taking off there got the remainder of our bombers and rockets on their heads.

Definitely the most incredible time in a scenario... I'm not sure how we did it, I can't even hit an airfield with an egg in the MA and to see us in the MA you'd wonder how we can even take off.

Alot of us get more serious in that type of atmosphere while still keeping it 'fun'.

[stephen waldron]

      I've heard about "scenarios" and "special event" playing.  Both on squadron level and with individual pilots taking part.  And it does sound like a higher standard of co-operation and organization exists in these venues.  That's great.  However, these venues are extremely LIMITED.  Lasting a few nights over a period of a few days.   Not much there to interest someone who spends hundreds of hours a month playing Aces High in the main arenas.  Playing in a special event amounts to an enjoyable, but regretably MINOR diversion from the Arena Game.

      Perhaps when "Combat Tour" comes out, Aces High will be able to offer something more substantial to players who are looking for more historical realism and organization in the game.  I doubt i'll spend another night in the main arenas after it does.   I'm just not a "chaos" and "fun" loving kind'a guy.   I've seen the Elephant.. and i take wargaming VERY SERIOUSLY.

[Bosco123]

Recently, I had disbanded my squad and have gone over to the Jokers Jokers. All of the major people like Joker, and Atil11a haven't been on wil I was there untill last night. It was the absoloute most team work I have even been on, wile I was having fun on top of it all.
We had taken over 6 bases, by ourselves.
I has been a long time since I had sny kind of fun in the MA, and last night broke that streak.
For example, we went to a base last night just to pork and vulch in GVs. I sat there in a Tiger, and wtched everyone of the Jokers die, by some guy in a Lanc, no one realy cared. So me, the last one standing, fought there in my Tiger for about 15 min. or sotaking out all of the planes that uped on my side. My squaddies were all tring to take the base.
By the time I died, I was Tracked, no pintle, and was running low on ammo, but the worst thing was that I was holding 18 kills. When I dided, most likely I would have flammed about how this guy killed me, but because of how much fun I had, I realy didn't care.
It's a tragety that I lost that many kills, but I still realy don't care

[Spikes]

In Operation Downfall, I had the pleasure of leading alot of SAPP members flying P38Ls in the 'what if' scenario of the invasion of Japan. One flight really depicts us in a scenario, where we get as serious as we ever get...

What year was this?