Co-operation and teamwork

[Rich46yo]

I fly Rook and there have been many, many times Ive been flying bombers alone, called for assistance, and had help come.

Ive flown with several rook bomber squads that have an "all for one, one for all" mentality. Just the other day I had technical issues while flying formation and had the main formation slow down for me to catch up even tho we were being shadowed by fighters. Several fighter escorts went down trying to protect my bombers.

So my experiences have been completely different. I myself have dropped into a sea of red many times to help a fellow rook. And I would do so even if I didn't like the guy.

There have been times Ive landed 3,4,5 bomber kills cause a total stranger came to the aid of shot up bombers who put out a call for help. And I wouldnt hesitate to do the same. Under certain conditions it isn't historically realistic for a bomber formation to slow down for a cripple. At those times I dont expect anyone to slow down to help. But often, in fact more then often, Ive had escorting Jugs or Ponies brave a sea of red to help my bombers.

So my expereinces have been very positive. Not "perfect" but "positive".  Thats why I stay Rook no matter what the eny.

[Trukk]

...As the member of a bomber squadron, i really can't tell the difference between flying in a squadron or flying alone...

Sounds like you're not in the right squad.  If a squad is organized, it makes a huge difference.  On our squad mission last night we flew Zeros and Peggys and did surprisingly well against all the late war kit.

Squad AAR from Friday

May-23: The 78th and friends flew two Rare Bird missions. The first was pretty quiet, but the second was a hard fight. At one point a Me-262 attacked the bombers but was hit by Kten's 20mm, after that the speed of the Ki-67s meant that it was actually a harder fight for the Zeros than it was for the bombers. All the way home, the buff drivers listen to the escort try and work their way out of the hot zone and to their credit only one escort was lost. Bomber losses would have been even lighter if it wasn't for a jet that followed the group all the way home and vulched the bombers as they tried to land. Trukk got revenge however by launching in another jet and shooting him down.

[Ghosth]

Check out FSO, Friday Night Squadron Ops.

We recently set a new attendance record of 500 online.
One life event, orders are sent out via email ahead of time.
Axis vis allied, so no p51's fighting p51.
Short icon range, tends to be much higher pucker factor.
Fights tend to scatter out low like they did in real life.

Ohhh and did I mention cooperation?
Fighters escorting bombers, fighter sweeps trying to find enemy bombers.
Attack sorties, both high and low. You name it FSO has either got it or has had it.

Frames run 3 fri nights in a row with one night off.  Then a new setup, so it never gets stale.

However, you do need to be prepared to fly any plane in the set. To be willing to change sides at least sometimes.
And you need to be attached to an accepted squadron, so that you get orders, etc.

FSO is IMO the very best flying possible in AH. But then I'm biased.

[BaldEagl]

As others have said, you are definitly in the wrong squad.

Back in the days of Air Warrior, I lead a three wing squad of over 60 players.  While we weren't very good, we were well coordinated with a bomber wing and two fighter wings providing advanced attack and escort.  We'd often fly from different fields and flatten strategic targets and nearby fields in advance of our main assult.

When I moved here in 2001 I decided to lone it, but last year, after winging with a few guys in fighters, I started a small squad dedicated to that purpose.  At our peak there were seven of us, and out of that, there was really only one with whom I had the right chemistry.  We could fly lock wing formation and always knew we had each others backs.  Some left, some disappeared.  Now there's only two of us left and, although we've decided to stick together, we rarely see one another so I'm pretty much a loner again.

Even at that, I get a lot of cooperation from my fellow Bish.  Not always, but most of the time.  Whether it's checking a towns status for a capture or clearing my six or doubling up on a buff formation the key is communication, just as it was in the squads.  In my experience, you're only as alone as you want to be in this game, even as a loner.  Finding the right chemistry with others to make the sum greater than the parts is another matter.  It's an elusive quality but when it happens it's magic.

Take your time in choosing a squad.  It sounds like you jumped right in with the first person to throw out an invite.

[NoBaddy]

      I've heard about "scenarios" and "special event" playing.  Both on squadron level and with individual pilots taking part.  And it does sound like a higher standard of co-operation and organization exists in these venues.  That's great.  However, these venues are extremely LIMITED.  Lasting a few nights over a period of a few days.   Not much there to interest someone who spends hundreds of hours a month playing Aces High in the main arenas.  Playing in a special event amounts to an enjoyable, but regretably MINOR diversion from the Arena Game.

      Perhaps when "Combat Tour" comes out, Aces High will be able to offer something more substantial to players who are looking for more historical realism and organization in the game.  I doubt i'll spend another night in the main arenas after it does.   I'm just not a "chaos" and "fun" loving kind'a guy.   I've seen the Elephant.. and i take wargaming VERY SERIOUSLY.

I was actually working on typing a long explanation of why your view is flawed. Then I realized that you are too new to understand. Give it a few years, then tell me that you have seen the elephant and that you understand what you have seen.

[waystin2]

"As others have said, you are definitly in the wrong squad."

"we rarely see one another so I'm pretty much a loner again. "

The guys are right, shop around and you will find a better fit for you.  Bald, the POTW would love to cure your loneliness with an invite.  Let me know...

[hubsonfire]

     Not much there to interest someone who spends hundreds of hours a month playing Aces High in the main arenas.

Hundreds? Dude.

[Furball]

why not start your own squad and invite other, teamwork minded peoples?

[DaPup]

why not start your own squad and invite other, teamwork minded peoples?

Damn you Furby!! We will not put up with that kind of logic around here!! 

[crockett]

      I hear alot in Aces High about working with others to accomplish a mission.  But in reality i see scant evidence of it in the game.  As the member of a bomber squadron, i really can't tell the difference between flying in a squadron or flying alone.  It appears the only thing you have going for you is the "herd" mentality.  The idea if four bomber formations are flying together, you have a 1-4 chance of being attacked and shot down. 

      The experienced fighter pilot is NOT intimidated by squadrons of B-17's numbering in the dozens of planes.  They know the other bomber pilots are not going to render themselves "blind" to what's going on around them by taking up a gun position to help save a friendly formation under attack.  Not even for a second.  So there's no difference between attacking a single formation or a squadron consisting of several formations. 

      This is just ONE example of what i'm talking about.  I could site dozens of others that occur on a regular basis.  Like calling for assitance at a threatened base, and then BUGGING OUT just as the help arrives.  Happens all the time.  I don't even pay attention to requests like this anymore. 

You must fly in a diffrent game than I.. Just about every sortie I fly I run into what some might try to call teamwork. I think you just have the wrong word for it.

I call them Gangtards.

[Furball]

I think this thread also shows good co-operation and teamwork in that everyone has pointed out where stephen is wrong.

WTG us.

[hubsonfire]

High five!

[Bronk]

Bunch a back slapping gang tards.

[Motherland]

Team work, cooperation, and realism exists in this game. You just have to seek it. This game is 100% dependent on the player base as far as gameplay goes, so sitting around complaining that no one else does it isn't going to do much. You have to findpeople that do things the way you like, and fly with them.

[moot]

Trollus Unintentionus.